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F1 2023 thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    The logistic aspect is often misunderstood, people think that they ship everything, lock stock and barrel race to race. But they have multiple sets in transport at any given time, leap frogging across the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    True, but that doesn’t apply to human logistics. Under cost cap the teams can only have so many human resources who have to travel, the drivers themselves are only replaceable in extraordinary circumstances, plus people like Tom Clarkson who moderates the press conference, David Croft who commentates every single race on site the race director, the medical team, safety car driver etc. Only one of each of those people.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Just watching the toto interview with Rachel Brookes , she was tough on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭Harika


    Heads up to the F1 TV App.

    Linked mine to the TV box and great UI experience with international feed commentators of Alex Jacques and Jolyon Palmer. Will Buxton and more.

    Also tape of delay option, aka when you are 30 min late to a race start you can start from beginning.

    I really hope the Sky contract will in future allow that here too, until then you will need to use VPN to signup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,184 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    Is there less and less overtaking now? Have the teams sorted the aero out now that we are back to square one?


    I even heard Karun say dirty air over the weekend, I thought the new aero packages was to sort that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    They raised the ride height this year and teams have found various tricks which has undone some of the good work for last year's cars. There was a 30% increase in overtaking last year. This year so far it's dropped back down to where it was previously, but we've still got quite a small amount of data after 4 races.

    Azerbaijan had some mitigating factors in that they shortened the DRS since last year which was always going to make overtaking harder, and the safety car came out essentially right in the middle of the one stop pit window so everybody pit then and there was no variation in strategy beyond the one or two cars who lost out by pitting early, who did make overtakes and find their way back up. You also had the guys who started from the pit lane running long, who specifically went with a low downforce setup making themselves impossible to overtake creating a train - this situation was really a side effect of the weekend format and parc ferme rules for the sprint race.

    In general though Baku always goes one of two ways - either there are some crashes, safety cars and red flags that cause chaos, or very little happens. It is not a track that generates typical close racing or strategic battles and not a good predictor of how other races at more traditional circuits will go.

    I think the current generation of Pirelli tyres need to be looked at though. They don't wear much over distance and could basically do the entire race on one set which kills any opportunity for strategy, while at the same time they're extremely sensitive to temperature changes so they can't run close behind other cars without losing grip nor do they allow for hard pushing. Ideally you really want tyres that do the exact opposite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,675 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I do find it ironic with Wolff saying the FIA need to do something to avoid boring races like Baku. Toto, we had YEARS of that with Merc, pottle calling the kettle black doesn't even sum this up.

    He was the loudest voice last year as well about changing the ride height in the hopes it would help Merc and bring RB back. Look how that worked out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    That nonsense would put me off the sport more than a team developing within the regs without a head start on everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,675 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Wolff has a habit of things like this I find, complains about something that Merc did first or were part of to begin with. He has a very short memory, or he thinks most of the fans are gobshites



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,675 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I get it, it is part of the game to try and bring your opponents back. I do find it flat out stupid though that a team that enjoyed such dominance and performance advantage (also remember engine tokens? Merc wanted that to keep their advantage) complain about this stuff.

    Even this week Wolff said that were it not for the budget cap, they would just make a new chassis and go from there. That was what Merc did for YEARS, just throw money at the problem. Now that is gone, they have to revert to this whinging to the FIA, that is a far cry from the proud dominance they had before, seems like so long ago now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,675 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    This was the full quote from Wolff

    "In the past, we wouldn't even know what a front suspension costs and today we need to take the purchase price of the aluminium and then factor in how much the machining of it costs, how much you need to write off from the aluminium that you don't need, price out every bolt that goes into the suspension, the carbon that you bought as the raw material then cut it and put it on... What is the energy cost of the composite room, the overhead that goes into it, and at the end comes out the product.

    This is super complex and it's gone so far that we have cost analysts, engineers, that need to decide whether buying that kilogram of aluminium is worth the performance gain on the other side. That process is so difficult and painful; people that should be creative only and have carte blanche, they can't do it because somebody is telling them whether it's feasible in the cost cap or not.

    And that's why it's so important that everybody adheres to the cost cap. If you're overshooting, every 10,000 matters."

    In summary, Merc would just throw the kitchen sink at the issues they had in the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,640 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    This is interesting. Liberty media really trying to grow the fanbase. Brad Pitt as a former driver who gets back in the cockpit. Sounds dreadful but in the good way. Can't wait.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Not too familiar with Kerry other than her fantastic role in the otherwise boring Banshees film, fair play to her getting the role though.

    I did have a chuckle reading that Hamilton is acting in some sort of consultancy role to make sure it’s as authentic as possible (fair enough in itself) but then they cast a 59 year old as some returning F1 driver. Gtfo with that crap. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,824 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    its probably being produced by Pitts production company, Plan B Entertainment.


    on their wiki page, they have an untitled Joseph Kosinski film as Upcoming..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,640 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    From the article linked above "Entertainment trade publication The Hollywood Reporter says that the Apple Studios film will be directed by Top Gun: Maverick's Joseph Kosinski and produced by Top Gun's Jerry Bruckheimer". The top gun movie didn't interest me so I haven't seen it.

    It's a movie. It doesn't have to be realistic to be entertaining. Sounds but bad movie are sometimes good.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    I understand that. But as I said, they are trying for authenticity. With a 59 year old F1 driver…

    I’ll still watch it for a bit of fun regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,283 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭Hijpo




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Ah the old Friday evening trip to your local Xtravision to check out the new releases and hoping they’re not already all out. 🤓😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,283 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Finding out they are all out and "booking" it for the week after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Get used to the max-checo-alonso podiums for the year it seems, even at that Alonso was still a pitstop behind max after starting p2 and max p9, credit to max all the same he's so dialed in with that car, checo doing as best he can ultimately.

    Ferrari just seem in no man's land, neither here nor there, Leclerc as always has a quali lap in him but the race pace is just nowhere.


    Mercedes, again much the same as Ferrari except you won't see any of them sneaking a P1 in quali, Russell definitely seems more comfortable in the car. Lots of talk of Imola upgrades being the make or break, if they don't make any real headway there will they punt the season?


    Can't be far off heads rolling at mclaren, all the talk was of the Baku upgrade package but they were absolutely nowhere in Miami, Lando might snag points here or there but it looks pretty bleak there. Also heard someone on sky mentioning the head honcho at Alpine is publicly saying how for the input Alpine are receiving the results are way off track, pressure on them too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Yeah it looks like the RB is so comprehensively faster than any of the other cars I would imagine most races will be 1-2s for them. It’s very much like Mercedes a couple of years ago except Checo looks like he’ll be more consistent than Bottas was.

    Horner keeps talking about other teams upgrading but it’s really difficult to see any other team essentially finding the 1 second a lap they’ll need to match the current RB, but likely they’d need more than that presuming RBs upgrades work as expected.

    McLaren are a mess. I know they have plenty of new things coming down the line like the new wind tunnel but they seem like they really don’t understand their car at all. I would imagine Norris will be keeping an eye on seats opening up elsewhere.

    Mercedes and Ferrari are in similar boats, flashes of pace followed by disappointment.

    Hopefully someone gets their act together or it could be another long stretch of 1 driver winning the championship with several races to spare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,990 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    McLaren really are a shambles.

    I know Brown came in and put the business on the straight and narrow from a point where they had no sponsors and running out of cash but they have effectively sold off anything of value within the business and loaded themselves up with debt. I can't see that being a strong position for them in the long term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Debub


    I must say that Alex Albon has been doing well for Williams quietly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Well, McLaren have already ditched James Key and they're pretty much stuck with what he designed this year. I had said earlier that Ian James, the Formula E team principal who they inherited from back to back drivers and constructors FE champions, Mercedes-Benz should have been given the F1 job after Andreas Sidil left for Sauber, but given one of those drivers champions is Nick De Vrys, maybe not.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭CONSI


    Another fairly processional race. A lot of these circuits dont seem to have overtake opportunities outside of DRS. If I hear the term DRS train one more time. I think they have to start limiting DRS to specific windows during the race, every 10 laps for 2/3 laps maybe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Joeface


    I was kind of wondering if the FIA's decision to front load the season with Street Circuits as hampered everything.

    4 out of the first five races are essentially street circuits and I could not see any teams bringing real updates to these tracks cause if you test the limits in any way the run off is a wall. So given how Good The Redbull is and fair play to them its an awesome machine but they have not been tested at all and really gifted the First 5 races once everyone could see the quailtiy of the car. Still think they would be ahead as Max would need the car a lot poorer before finding his limits and been tested.

    So with Imola next for any big updates some might improve , if Mercedes do a 2022 Aston on it and swap the car , given it took Aston about 3-4 races last year to progress ( bringing it to Monaco didn't help ) might be some time before anyone makes in roads on Redbull .



    (And Monaco is Race 7 so 5 out of the first 7 races ... Street Circuits)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,171 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Is it time for DRS to be banned. I certainly think so. It should either be binned this year from after the Summer break or banned from next year. They need to make F1 more exciting. We just had another dull race and DRS does not make it any more exciting g in fact it takes from it because it makes it far to easy for someone in a faster car like Max to overtake everyone else abd they have no way of defending from it.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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