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The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭poppers


    how anyone can defend the provincial championship is beyond me.

    the All ire series should be based on league top 15 positions, and as an incentive give TC winners place 16.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    There were a fair few people suggesting difference between div 1 and 2 isn’t that much. I’m not sure I’ve seen that in the champo where it really matters. The top two teams in division 2 are able to put it up to div 1 teams but I don’t fancy any other div 2 team.

    It’s part of the reason I’d fear the latter stages for Dublin. They struggled badly in some div 1 games against far weaker teams. As has been pointed out the puke 15 man defensive line is something Dublin just can’t really overcome convincingly anymore.

    I’d expect Louth to do it in Leinster final and why wouldn’t they? They will be celebrated like hero’s at home. I understand why they do it and don’t blame them at all, but it’s muck to watch as a spectator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Treating this game as a free hit by the looks of it. Will be aiming for 3rd place finish in their group and with an out of sorts Donegal in their group I wouldn't rule them out from winning that match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    Walsh and comer scored 2 points of Galway’s 2 20 today……so much for that analysis….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,818 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    That farce of a game today doesn't prove nor disprove any analysis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,630 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Two brutal games today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,000 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Much the same as Leinster finals of recent years. The margin of victory for Dublin in the last five years was 14,14,21,16 and 18 points. No good complaining about the system, it is what it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭Gael85


    Jason Foley is some man to avoid the second yellow card 😂 🤣 Clutch the hamstring and be carried off and then pose for selfies after the game. Done exactly same against Roscommon in league.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Clare got to the final on merit. Sligo by luck of the draw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Next two provincials should be good, am looking forward to both. Today's were a forgone conclusion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭Shank Williams


    Hopefully gaa will come to their senses and do the humane thing and give the bullet to the provincials- they are a farce- screw all the misty eyed shite - they have been a farce for years.

    then they just have to sort out actually enforcing their own rules and making changes that disincentivise puke football and they might actually have a game worth watching



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,000 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Since 2001 Sligo have been in 5 finals. Roscommon have been in 9. There must be more than luck in operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Mayo, Galway and Roscommon. Top 3 in Division 1 and on the same side of the Connacht draw. Connacht should have been an all Division 1 final and all that is currently good about Connacht football at the top level. League seeding is needed for provincial draws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    TBF, Cork, who were 4th in Division Two, lost to Clare who were 6th in that same tier, so while league seeding would likely have seen semis of Kerry v Clare and Cork v Limerick, the final margin would have been much the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭grbear


    Call me daft, but I think we should wait until we see how this year's new championship format works out before rushing in to any more changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,000 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    When it is not two of those three teams who have to travel to New York and London, how would you organise the draw? There is no point in making up imaginary scenarios, that Connacht have no interest in implementing.

    (Wikipedia) Covid-19 caused the following games to be cancelled in 2020: Galway's games against both New York and Sligo, Roscommon's game against London, and in 2021: Mayo playing London and Roscommon playing New York meant that 2021 was a fresh draw.

    In 2023, Sligo vs London, Leitrim vs New York. In 2024, Galway vs London, Mayo vs New York. In 2025, Roscommon vs London, Galway vs New York. In 2026, Mayo vs London, Roscommon vs New York. In 2027, Sligo vs New York, while London scheduled to host Leitrim like in 2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,436 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Exactly

    There are 37 games left in this championship, many of which will be competitive.

    There is a lot of football to be played yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,000 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The Clare manager says he is looking forward to playing in the Ulster Championship. Never played Monaghan before in his time. The group is Clare, Monaghan, Donegal and Armagh or Derry.



  • Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ Landry Large Pennon


    True, but 2 provincial finals and 2 embarrassing wipeouts nonetheless and this is year 1 of a 3 year experiment isn’t it? Its gonna happen next year and the year after that. Munster is completely f**ked. Nothing can rescue it with the implosion of Cork football. If seedings are used in Connacht and that means either Mayo, Galway or Roscommon are in the final then so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,000 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Maybe try to rescue Leinster first. There are plenty of teams with some former pedigree who should be able to compete. Dublin have 16 out of the last 17 titles. The Munster and Connacht provinces have been lost causes for many decades, but Leinster is a more recent phenomenon. It does't seem to affect the popularity among the locals that much in any of those provinces, so maybe no need to panic at all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Very easy. The rotation of teams travelling to London and New York can be retained in Connacht. While ideally Galway and Roscommon would be kept separate in a seeded quarter-final draw, they would be drawn against each other in Connacht due to the existing rotation. The top 2 seeds however can be kept apart in the semi-final draw. Sligo then would have had to have overcome a Division 1 opponent to make the final.

    1. Mayo

    2. Galway

    3. Roscommon

    4. Sligo

    5. Leitrim

    6. London

    7. New York


    Quarter-finals:

    Galway v Roscommon

    London v Sligo

    New York v Leitrim


    Semi-finals: (Top 2 seeds on either side of the draw)

    Mayo v London/Sligo

    Galway/Roscommon v New York/Leitrim



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,249 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    How is Connacht a lost cause?

    Over the last 7 years, Galway have won 3, Mayo 2, Roscommon 3, and add in both Galway and Mayo consistently featuring in the later stages of the AI series, and these 3 teams finishing 123 in League D1 this year, with 2 teams playing in the final (obviously).

    Oh that any of the other provinces be as lost as this. Only Ulster comes close in terms of competitiveness, Ulster the best championship over the last 14 or 20 years by far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,000 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Sligo could be a Division 1 team in the future. That is what the league structure can do. You are going to a lot of bother just to avoid a very occasional slaughtering match in a Connacht final. It is not going to make any other team Connacht champions, except the current 3 big guns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    The provincial championships have a few flaws to iron out. One is seeding for the draws based on league performance.

    Provincial Seedings that could have been applied for 2023:

    ULSTER

    1. Tyrone

    2. Monaghan

    3. Derry

    4. Armagh

    5. Donegal

    6. Cavan

    7. Fermanagh

    8. Down

    9. Antrim

    Preliminary: Down v Antrim

    Quarter-finals: Tyrone, Monaghan, Derry and Armagh seeded to avoid each other.

    Semi-finals: Tyrone and Monaghan seeded to avoid each other.

    LEINSTER

    1. Dublin

    2. Louth

    3. Kildare

    4. Meath

    5. Westmeath

    6. Offaly

    7. Wicklow

    8. Longford

    9. Laois

    10. Wexford

    11. Carlow

    Preliminary: Offaly, Wicklow and Longford seeded to avoid each other drawn against Laois, Wexford and Carlow.

    Quarter-finals: Dublin, Louth, Kildare and Meath seeded to avoid each other.

    Semi-finals: Dublin and Louth seeded to avoid each other.


    MUNSTER

    1. Kerry

    2. Cork

    3. Clare

    4. Limerick

    5. Tipperary

    6. Waterford

    Quarter-finals: Clare and Limerick seeded to avoid each other drawn against Tipperary and Waterford.

    Semi-finals: Kerry and Cork seeded to avoid each other.


    CONNACHT

    1. Mayo

    2. Galway

    3. Roscommon

    4. Sligo

    5. Leitrim

    6. London

    7. New York

    Quarter-finals: Keep the rotation of playing London and New York. Mayo given bye to semi-finals. Galway v Roscommon is a resulting default fixture due to the London and New York rotation policy.

    Semi-finals: Mayo and Galway seeded to avoid each other.


    Note: Provincial draws should take place on the Monday morning after the league finals. The only fixtures that require advanced planning are the trips to London and New York. The remaining fixtures and TV schedules can be sorted out within a few day of the provincial draws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,000 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It's a lost cause to Leitrim and Sligo. And to New York and London. Just as Munster is a lost cause to Tipp, Limerick and Waterford and shaping up like that for Cork. Leinster is becoming a lost cause even to Kildare and Meath, never mind Laois, Offaly, Westmeath and the rest who should be competing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    No this is not like the Super 8s which were brought in on a trial basis for 3 years.

    This championship structure won't be going anywhere for the foreseeable future. There might be some very minor tinkering around the edges but even that is not going to be likely to occur for at least a year or two yet. The way the Connacht structure is with the games against New York and London mean that the draw can't have Mayo/Galway/Roscommon on the same side next year so don't expect any moves on the seeding the Connacht championship for a bit yet.

    The internal politics of the GAA and the fact that the provincial councils have so many votes at Congress mean that that role of the provincials in the football championship is not going to change significantly for a good while yet. I'd say there will need to be a good bank of results similar to todays and the accompanying dwindling crowds that will follow from it before the powers of the provincial councils is overcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,436 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    True, but 2 provincial finals and 2 embarrassing wipeouts nonetheless and this is year 1 of a 3 year experiment isn’t it? Its gonna happen next year and the year after that.

    But it's been that way for over a century.

    The new structure did not determine the matchups in today's games.

    The new structure and it being year 1 of a 3 year experiment have nothing to do with it.

    The state of Cork, the state of Meath and the state of Roscommon is what have made three provincial championships what they are today.

    And I include Roscommon in that because they have actually helped make Connacht somewhat more than a two horse race in the last few years.



  • Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ Landry Large Pennon


    I’d despair that anything meaninful will get through Congress and as you say with the Provincial councils having so many votes in it, turkeys will never vote for Christmas. I heard Congress described once as an excess of democracy within the GAA. I’d tend to go along with that view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Avon8


    He was bedridden with flu for much of the week it was said to the media afterwards. Would probably have been better to just not play him but it's easy say that in hindsight.

    Still, "very poor" is a bit strong when he didn't give the ball away once from memory and scored his frees. Was off just after HT. Seemed to play as a decoy, taking Sligos most touted back to the periphery. Given that Tierney and Burke did wreck in the first half, can probably say that worked



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Heard Des Cahill on earlier saying that a team could lose three times in this years AI and still win! If so, that's the height of silliness - not one, not two but three backdoors.



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