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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    The EU isn't going to make it in it's current form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,162 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I'm still not getting it. Are you saying that middle-aged middle-class white men are naturally smarter than everyone else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    But locking someone up for a considerable amount of their life (or their entire life), could actually be considered more cruel than being killed.

    If your dog killed a small child, and a court decided that the correct course of action was to lock them in a cage for the rest of their life instead of just putting them down, would you consider this to be an act of mercy or cruelty from the court? Most would see it as unnecessarily cruel. So why the difference for people?

    There are plenty of studies that show the negative effects of long term incarceration on the human mind. And in fact, you can see that many people inherently understand this when they make statements such as "death is too good for them, they should rot in a prison cell for the rest of their lives"... so rather than being seen as a more civilised form of justice, many people actually seem to view it as the opposite. It is a way to torture someone for decades until they die. And these people seem to have no real moral objection to this, but yet will still happily criticise anyone who favours the death penalty as being uncivilised or cruel. There is a substantial amount of hypocrisy going on with this mentality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Lionel Fusco


    An Irish person who watches the coronation of a British king should be deported. It is an inexplicably shameful display of servitude and lack of any self respect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,078 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Basically people who don't want to pay for anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I don't buy it.

    Reports are that Breivik plays Playstation in his cell.

    Myra Hindley used to carry on lesbian love affairs with other inmates and campaign for her release.

    The same liberal activists who campaign against the death penalty also insist on comfortable prisons because real punishment is 'cruel'.

    Who would prefer being executed to chilling out in their cell for a few decades?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,225 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    The death penalty is just a revenge fetish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    The natural human response to death is to fight against it... that is our innate survival instinct.

    So asking the question, would you prefer decades of incarceration compared with a swift humane death is not really going to illicit a balanced response. Partly of course, because we know nothing about death other than it being inevitable. Where as we know plenty about life, including the reality of day to day prison life. People instinctively choose something they know over something mysterious and unknown.

    The question is whether or not decades of incarceration should be considered an act of mercy? I don't personally think it can be, regardless of whether you get a TV and an Xbox to play with. If it was such a humane and civilised form of punishment, then you wouldn't get so many people taking such overt pleasure from people "rotting in prison" for the rest of their lives.

    Ask most people out in society how they would feel about being locked up for the rest of their life, and never having freedom ever again... it would naturally rank very high as one of the worst scenarios most people could imagine facing in their life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,843 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Are you making an argument for prison reform or an argument to kill innocent people who get jailed by accident?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    I'm making an argument that the perception of incarceration Vs the death penalty is incorrect and in fact riddled with hypocrisy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    In my experience, most people will rip you off ( to some degree) if given a chance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    Ireland has very few standout impressive towns , I was on holiday in rural England last summer and they put our towns and villages to shame, most Irish towns and villages are butt ugly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,631 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    With incarceration, your sentence can always be cut short or even more importantly, you can be exonerated and released if it turns out you were innocent.

    Not so much with the death penalty.

    Which is one of the key reasons why we don't execute all criminals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭GavPJ


    Unfortunately Ireland is riddled with greed for the last 20 years. Nobody cares about eachother

    anymore. A Celtic Tiger creation I'm afraid and it is here to stay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,162 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    A fetish that plays out mostly against poor people, mostly black people (in the States), mostly people at the borderlines of intellectual disability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,371 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I'm no fan of Trump, but just listening to him on the radio today complaining about having to head back home to face charges of sexual assault.

    He says it's all lies.

    I think if he is found innocent, then the woman making the claims should face jail time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,828 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    We don't do urban living here. Most people waiting for the chance to get out of dodge. It's a vicious circle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    No. If we assume that all people have the same distribution of competence, then a D&I policy that favours certain segments of race/gender is obviously limiting choice and thus lessens the chances of hiring for competence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,162 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What diversity policy is favour, certain segments? The policies that I’ve seen aim to re-dress the historical imbalance to give equal access to certain segments, not to favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    I won’t name my company but we have a policy that must select 50:50 men:women candidates for interview. We often discard men that score higher than women in aptitude tests and CV screening to comply with policy. In my opinion, which is increasingly more wrong-headed it appears, such a policy can only lower overall competence. It’s basic logic, but anyway.



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  • Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    i didn’t say anything about running the world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Haven’t numerous studies shown that diverse teams outperform homogenous ones?

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,162 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Interesting example. Why do you think women are scoring lower than men on average?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    They’re not. At all. It’s only when they do score lower that the policy is enforced, hence it negatively selects against competence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Maybe, but such a study would have to equalise for competence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,162 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You seem to be contradicting yourself. If the policy is having the negative effect that you suggest, then this must be as a result of women scoring lower, at least in some competitions or posts.

    So why do you think women are scoring lower in those competitions or posts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    So is locking someone up for life.

    How many times have you heard someone say "Death is too good for them, they should rot in a prison cell for the rest of their days!" ??

    That is exactly what you're describing... people taking pleasure out of the idea of someone suffering for decades being locked up.

    At least the death sentence (and it's supporters) isn't pretending to be something it's not...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,843 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Then the solution is to improve prisons and make sure they're about rehabilitation and not just punishment.

    The solution is not to kill people because we think it's more humane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    Even if it was possible to rehabilitate, say, a serial killer for example... many people in society would still object to them being granted freedom. Because they ruthlessly denied their victims of their freedom and their life.

    The punishment is taking away someone's freedom, so it doesn't really matter how nice you make a prison. The question still remains, is it humane to lock a person up for decades or possibly their entire life. If people are taking pleasure from the idea of locking someone up for decades, again I would argue it does not resemble a humane action - quite the opposite in fact.

    Executing someone, yes you are taking away their life... but dead people cannot suffer after they die. Compare this with someone who is incarcerated for decades, they can suffer every single day of their life without the possibility of any relief from their suffering. And as I said, quite a substantial number of people in society seem to enjoy the idea of this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,843 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Serial killers are edge cases. The vast majority of prisoners are not serial killers. They will be released at some point. Serial killers and people who have mental health issues should be held in special facilities. Drug users too should be held in special units where they can get treatment.

    And prison shouldn't be about punishment, it should be about rehabilitation.

    And honestly, I can't see how I'm arguing against the proposition that killing someone is more humane than letting them serve their time and get released. Especially when the discussion started about how innocent people can end up being convicted.



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