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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,499 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


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    Again, I ask:

    How?



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If the thread were about the dangers of woke culture, I'd gladly dilate. So I'd rather stick to Trump, if you don't mind.

    Many people have been asking me: what are your criticisms of Donald Trump?

    I've many times said that my position is reasonably well established. I already said that I wouldn't want Donald Trump to become the GOP nominee, nor would I want him to become US President again. Though I largely support many of his policies [particularly when it comes to illegal immigration (6 million illegal migrants have so far crossed the border under Biden), the lunatic woke agenda, keeping biological males out of women's sport, tough on inner city crime etc], there are many other voices who can carry that message better, and without the associated excess baggage that comes with Trump. Whilst Trump was an outsider in 2016, the situation is very much different today. Though 60-70% of GOP voters would continue to back Trump, I wouldn't.

    A large part of the reason is the events of January 6, 2021 - when, as we all well know, Trump behaved utterly recklessly. It was unnecessary, and tarred Trump in a way that no political opponent could have achieved by themselves. He scored a massive own goal. If Trump is willing to behave like this once, there is every likelihood the situation may repeat in the future. Second, is that Trump's policies will outlive his political career anyway. The centre of gravity has very much shifted in the GOP, and so "Trumpism without Trump" makes sense. The novelty factor has wore off.

    Many people condemn Trump because he had an affair. I don't mind this, however. Most men either have affairs, or fantasize about having one during the course of their marriage. Do you really believe Melania is with Trump because she is utterly besotted with the man? Of course not! She's with him for the same reason he's with her; it's a marriage of convenience. And a loveless marriage like that means that it doesn't matter if Trump has an affair because the marriage is illegitimate to begin with. It's a marriage on false pretences.

    So whilst there are many good reasons to criticise Trump, particularly over the events of January 6, I don't believe his behaviour during marriage is a particularly good rebuke of the man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    who mentioned his marriage? of all the things he has been criticised for on this thread i dont think his marriage even makes the top 100



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It was mentioned a couple of times earlier in the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,380 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "If the thread were about the dangers of woke culture, I'd gladly dilate. So I'd rather stick to Trump, if you don't mind."

    (Two paragraphs later)

    ".......the lunatic woke agenda"

    Culture war obsessed nonsense.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,414 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    I know it straight away from the Farage pic. Did not like the fact his past posting would be able to be seen after the board update



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    a relatively minor indiscretion by trump standards. and i dont think anybody criticised him for having an affair ,though i'm not sure i would describe raping a woman or a quickie with a porn star as an affair. there are much more important things to criticise him for.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For sure, and I raised the events of January 6 front and centre in my rebuke of Donald Trump. Of all possible criticisms, I think that event is without question the worst possible thing that Donald Trump did.

    But we can criticise Trump without resorting to delusional levels of hyperbole, sensationalism, fabrication, and lies.

    And unfortunately, that's what we often see peppered throughout this thread (i.e. TDS).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Were you not the fellow prematurely celebrating the midterms as saying it was a rejection of the woke agenda?

    And that it was a reflection on trump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    a trump supporter complaining about delusional levels of hyperbole, sensationalism, fabrication, and lies. Thanks for the laugh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,380 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    T.D.S. ✅

    Woke Agenda ✅

    Very close to having a full house in "Buzzword Bullsh1t Bingo".

    Keep going mate!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,499 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    That is not what I asked.

    AT ALL.

    You stated: Woke and far-left activism seek to destroy all that's valuable about freedom of speech and western culture

    trump and the GQP are campaignng on an anti-woke agenda and I asked a question of one word: How?


    Instead I get a "If the thread were about the dangers of woke culture, I'd gladly dilate. So I'd rather stick to Trump" and then you go off on some total non-answer. If you don't want to answer the question. Don't reply to the question with a non-answer.

    But this IS about trump. And the GQP. This "anti-woke" stance is the CORNERSTONE of their policies. Not finance, not infrastructure, not the economy or jobs or international relations. woke.

    So I'll clarify: How, according to the GQP/trump.... According to YOU! (It's YOUR opinion. And you are absolutely 100% entitled to it). How is "Woke and far-left activism seek to destroy all that's valuable about freedom of speech and western culture"

    People can disagree of course. I disagree with this statement. People have considered me "woke" because I believe in equal rights for all communities. EQUAL rights. I may have my issues with certain communities, we all have our prejudices, but I believe in EQUAL rights for all. And to many, that IS one of the definitions of "woke". Then I am perfectly happy to be considered "woke"

    So to many I am "woke". To fox I am woke. To Carlson I am woke. To GQP I am woke. To TRUMP I am woke. and yet I don't "seek to destroy all that's valuable about freedom of speech and western culture". I like Western Culture. I like movies and music and free speech and meat. I like the ability to read what I want. If I don't want to rad something because I find it distasteful, I won't.

    But as I say, the GQP and trump campaign on the idea that "Woke and far-left activism seek to destroy all that's valuable about freedom of speech and western culture"

    And I say:

    HOW?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Where? I believe the comments made about the stormy Daniels affair he had were more directed at him being a father rather than a husband



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's worth emphasizing that when Donald Trump talks about the so-called woke agenda, he's referring to the lunatic activists that animate the movement.

    He's not necessarily talking about individual people like yourself, who self-identify as "woke". Ultimately, it's the activists that are trying to destabilise western countries with abject, often self-loathing nonsense, and Trump - for all his faults - is at least willing to call that out.

    That said, I must re-emphasize that I believe there are better political vehicles than Trump to carry this message across.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That potentially answers a question of "Who" , but you continue to fail to elucidate exactly HOW the "Woke" agenda is destabilising western countries.

    It's not the Who or even the What we are all interested in understanding it's the HOW, as has been called out repeatedly.

    • How exactly is it destablising to a country to acknowledge peoples differences , be they racial , religious ,sexual or otherwise?
    • How exactly is it destablising to a country to acknowledge that bad things that happened in that countries past?
    • How exactly is it destablising to a country to acknowledge that some bad things are still happening in that country?
    • How exactly is it destablising to a country to acknowledge the existence of inequality?
    • How exactly is it destablising to a country to acknowledge that not everyone wants the same things in life?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,499 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    You stated: Woke and far-left activism seek to destroy all that's valuable about freedom of speech and western culture

    I stated that people consider me "Woke" because of my beliefs of equal rights.

    Now you are saying "Well, they don't mean you".

    So you mean extreme left wing?

    That is NOT what you and fox and trump and the GQP state

    So you have no answer on how Woke and far-left activism seek to destroy all that's valuable about freedom of speech and western culture


    OK.

    Thank you.


    Edit: Typo ("S" at end of Thank)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Define in a sentence as to what you term as 'woke' just so we're on the same page



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,499 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    And THAT right there is the issue.

    How can anyone have a pro or anti "Woke" agenda when there isn't even a definition of "woke" that people can agree on? A quick google will turn up any amount of different definitions.

    Anti-woke campaigners proudly wear their anti-woke credentials on their arms without even being able to describe their belief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    They're not trying to destabilise anything - that's just hysterical.

    If we're talking lunatic-fringe then fine, but you're best of pointing that out instead of just going all in and foaming at the moment with the buzzwords.

    Trump was equally hysterical and that's exactly WHY he failed to get his message across. He had the perfect vehicle but his narcissism took control of the wheel.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Back to more current stuff.

    The E Jean Carroll case continues to go pretty poorly for Trump.

    Yesterdays evidence was yet another woman providing details of an alleged sexual assault by Trump along with testimony from a Psychologist detailing the impact that the assault had on Carroll.

    They also showed excerpts from Trump deposition which included multiple easily disproved lies from Trump (surprise surprise).

    In further bad news for Trump his one and only defence witness will now not appear due to illness apparently so Team Trump will present no defence evidence whatsoever other than anything that came up during cross examination.

    Summing up from both sides will be today , with a day off Friday and then the Judge will give their instructions to the Jury on Monday with deliberations starting on Tuesday.

    Trump apparently is leaving (or has already gone) Ireland earlier than planned because of this case , which could be significant.

    The general consensus from all that I have read is that all the Prosecution witnesses were compelling and largely believable and that Trumps lawyers didn't really land many shots in terms of trying to discredit the them.

    It comes down to who the Jury believes which is subjective and as such could go either way , but it doesn't look like Trump can relax about this case yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,035 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Hence why the rabbit is trying to pull on every thread possible to pull us down rabbitholes, as per usual. To distract from the fact that the subject of this thread, a former President and possible future presidential candidate, is currently on trial in a defamation lawsuit regarding comments he made when accused of raping a woman years earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    While championing people who think gay people are scum and are actively trying to implement legislation to undermine them.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Given the specifics of the case , should he lose he will be convicted of Sexual battery and by default if he loses the defamation charge it also confirms him as a rapist.

    Will that change anything for GOP voters?

    Obviously it won't change anything for the hard-core MAGA crowd , but what impact will an actual conviction have for those that are just "GOP" voters I wonder.

    It certainly not going to improve his chances with independent voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,499 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Que the obligatory:

    "HE didn't do it. He is innocent!".... I mean "He'll never get prosecuted!" (They don't care if he did it or not. Pffft)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    This may have been asked before but how is Trump allowed to travel when there's an ongoing court case involving him close to being concluded back in America?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's a civil case which I don't think carries the risk of incarceration and attendance at civil cases is not mandatory unlike a criminal charge.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I see a quote from Trump saying that he is returning to NY early to "confront his accuser" - Not sure if he can get back in time but is he possibly planning on testifying?

    If his lawyers allow him to to do that it would be madness.

    Otherwise the only "confronting" he could do would be to tweet/truth about it , which he has already been warned about or maybe he's planning to stand in the court room and stare at her.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ultimately, what matters is the jury decision at the end.

    Until then, Trump should be considered innocent until proven guilty (even then, what a jury decides cannot be considered 'proven' in any literal sense). Some might even say, how convenient, given that Trump has decided to run again in 2024.

    Too many times, what turn out to be false allegations are hurled against US presidents. Trump isn't the first in that regard. Even allegations of sexual misconduct were levelled against Joe Biden.

    And you'd alone need an entire shelf to cover the allegations made against Bill Clinton.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,380 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,380 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Unless the jury is woke, in which case..... Blah blah blah

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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