What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

ohnonotgmail · 03-05-2023 10:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549245#Comment_120549245

Shame?

everlast75 · 03-05-2023 10:20AM

And I bet he didn't say we should nuke a hurricane, or that windmills give you cancer.

I'm embarrassed for ye - trying to defend this utterly stupid and ignorant buffoon.

Penn · 03-05-2023 10:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549508#Comment_120549508

Exactly. Cases of ingestion of disinfectants rose after Trump's comments, where he took expert advice about how disinfectant works on sufaces, and publicly mused during a public health press conference, about getting that into the body. He didn't explicity say "Drink bleach". And yet, people did in fact ingest bleach.

It's worth noting, cases of ingestion of bleach had already increased in the 2 months prior to Trump's comments, however this was more down to accidental ingestion due to people having more disinfectants such as hand sanitiser, sprays etc and using them more as part of Covid precautions. But cases were at their highest at the end of the month Trump made that comment.

Trump didn't tell people to drink bleach. But as President, discussing public health and safety at a time of international pandemic, he was utterly reckless with his words because he was trying to show how smart he was and pretend he had more knowledge about this sort of stuff than he had, and was rambling about what he felt might be possible solutions by completely conflating two very different things, and some people took that as a sign to f*cking ingest bleach.

03-05-2023 10:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549508#Comment_120549508

So we've moved from "Trump asked people to drink bleach" to, Trump "implied" that people should drink bleach and/or disinfectant.

Just one more shift away from Trump didn't say that anyone should drink / inject themselves with any disinfectant and/or bleach - because that's the truth of the matter.

You can disagree with how Trump discussed the novel therapies that were under discussion at the time, but nobody can just put words in his mouth - or say that he implied something - when he frankly did not.

There are many legitimate reasons to criticise Trump, but this lie - and it is a lie - is not one worth pursuing.

Penn · 03-05-2023 10:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549579#Comment_120549579

Calm down. It's not like they compared him to Jimmy Saville or anything.

odyssey06 · 03-05-2023 10:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549579#Comment_120549579

Glad you accept there are many legitimate reasons to criticise Trump. Perhaps you could list some of yours.

Here's one of mine:

Trump implied a dangerous use of disinfectant, he used reckless language which was open to interpretation that they were benefits to getting disinfectant into the body.

So I have just pointed out a legitimate reason to criticise Trump for his comments in the press briefing - they were reckless and dangerous and open to misinterpretation. The time for the President to ask these questions of his expert advisors is behind closed doors. You don't brain storm in the middle of a press briefing on a novel virus, throwing out ideas that could be misinterpreted or are risky or impractical. Which they were.

03-05-2023 10:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549593#Comment_120549593

Behind the wall of filler outrage, you're still making the fundamental claim that Trump implied people should inject themselves at home with bleach.

No matter how much you stretch the meaning of the words used at the press conference, there is literally zero implication of the above bolded words.

Zero, nothing, nada, zilch, null.

TheIrishGrover · 03-05-2023 10:47AM

Ah it's good to see all these "New" accounts rehash the same arguments from the last few years. We'll be right back to "The Election Was Stolen" in a few days. In 2023! After it has been conclusively proven that this was not the case. That the main evidence of attempted election tampering was the RECORDING of trump attempting to "find" enough votes to overthrow the election in Georgia. That it has been PROVEN that the Dominion machines were not rigged.

We will be back to the Jan 6 "tourists" getting guided tours again!

And once again, I notice that even trump's supporters have not said he is not guilty. In this case, of rape: "trump won't lose this case, no chance". As I said before, "Getting away with it" to his cult members is even BETTER than being innocent.

So I ask one last time to all his followers: Where is the line? Where does one say "I cannot support this man". We know the following:

Serial sexual assault is not the line
Support of hate groups is not the line
Attempted election fraud is not the line
Hatred of American Prisoners of War ("Losers") is not the line
Support of domestic terrorists is not the line
Support of insurrectionists is not the line
Support of nations/dictators hostile to the US is not the line
Intimidation/threat of assassination of political rivals is not the line (“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the second amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know. But I’ll tell you what, that will be a horrible day.”)

Now it's worth pointing out that these are all based on quotes from trump. Every single one of them.

And what do his cultists focus on? Some speech about education plans. Nothing about funding or hiring, restructuring etc. No. "Remove the woke" type stuff. That's enough for them.

His cultists don't say he is not guilty of his alleged crimes. Simply that he will not be convicted of them. What does that tell you about someone's moral compass?

Most people are able to reevaluate their thoughts on certain positions as facts emerge. We've all been there. "Oh, that's such a pity. I had such respect for XXX. I didn't want to believe it but the facts do speak for themselves. That is disappointing/upsetting" This is not a sign of wavering conviction. In actuality it is a sign of a person who sticks to their own morals. However trump cultists stick by him no matter how many facts (And they are FACTS) emerge:

"The Dems tried to steal the election". Recording emerges of trump attempting to coerce the govonor of Gerogia into "finding" enough votes to overthrow the election count there. Acceptable
"He loves the military". In speech about McCain (Who was a POW) "He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured.". Acceptable

They literally LITERALLY had a golden idol of him at the COP conference. Without irony. The party that is all about guns and the bible had some straight up old testament/Moses/golden lamb stuff going on.

So I'm basically gonna ignore any account less than a couple of years old as we've already had the same conversations before so why bother.

Quin_Dub · 03-05-2023 10:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549493#Comment_120549493

Read his direct quotes and its clear he was trying do his best with the information that was given to by actual scientists.

Indeed - However because he is a deeply unintelligent man (who thinks he is a genius) his "best" is saying incredibly vacuous things out loud , on National TV where other deeply unintelligent people hear him and then do stupid things as a result.

Burty330 · 03-05-2023 10:50AM

The kids in cages was another lie used to dismantle Trumps border wall policy. That's now resulted in tens of thousands of kids dissappearing into servitude and fent killing people in record high numbers through overdose. Where's the criticism?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/17/us/politics/migrant-child-labor-biden.html

Penn · 03-05-2023 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549616#Comment_120549616

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.”

Once again, he didn't say people should do it, but his reckless language made some people think it would work and they then did it.

The disinfectant knocks it out in a minute.... Is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside..... It does a tremendous number on the lungs.... It would be interesting to check that....

He said the disinfectant knocks it out, he said it could possibly be injected, he said it does a tremendous number on the lungs. His words implied it would work. His words led people to check that.

odyssey06 · 03-05-2023 10:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549616#Comment_120549616

I explained why it was legitimate to criticise his comments in the press briefing.

You don't brain storm in the middle of a press briefing on a novel virus, throwing out ideas that could be misinterpreted or are risky or impractical

Do you agree or disagree with that comment?

Because you haven't engaged with the actual points put to you on why his comments were dangerous and reckless in the context of a public press briefing.

This is what I wrote:

Trump implied a dangerous use of disinfectant, he used reckless language which was open to interpretation that they were benefits to getting disinfectant into the body.

After all you said:

there are many legitimate reasons to criticise Trump.

Glad you accept there are many legitimate reasons to criticise Trump. Perhaps you could list some of yours. This is the Donald Trump thread.

Perhaps you could provide some of these posts?

Or are you too busy behind that "wall of filler outrage".

Well?

Christy42 · 03-05-2023 10:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549493#Comment_120549493

Honestly it sounds like he was told about sterilising a room or some such and then decided to use his incredible intellect to apply it to the human body from the quotes.

He immediately goes from disinfectant to cleaning the human lungs, that bit didn't come from a medical professional. He is just not very smart and took a small amount of information a lot further than it should go.

It isn't stating you should drink bleach but it is heavily suggesting it and the sentences don't make any sense if that isn't what he is suggesting.

astrofool · 03-05-2023 10:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549354#Comment_120549354

C'mon, if you're back again, you have to have learnt to read posts by now rather than look foolish over and over:

because most people know he said disinfectant of which bleach is a type

Like, there's a whole explanation in the post and you aim for a "gotcha" and wonder why people don't take your posts seriously. If that is what you picked up, then you're no better than the trump supporters who actually drank bleach (a disinfectant) after following his advice.

everlast75 · 03-05-2023 11:00AM

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Look at you, parsing words and exclaiming victory!

Like the average trump supporter picks up on nuance, or can differentiate what trump said and meant.

Which is it? Is trump not the great communicator we were told he was, or are his supporters a bit thick?

Quin_Dub · 03-05-2023 11:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549653#Comment_120549653

It's also that he half hears something in a meeting because he simply wasn't paying attention and then tries to use that little bit of information to try to make himself sound awesome but because he wasn't listening and because he simply is not very bright , he just ends up rambling like an idiot.

Shining lights inside the body , ingesting bleach , nuking hurricanes etc. etc.

Most people are at least intelligent enough to know what they don't know and as such they know when to stop talking.

Trump is the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect so he just never stops talking.

everlast75 · 03-05-2023 11:01AM

Another one of Trump's buffoon army making a show of himself (again)

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1653571222549016577?s=20

Penn · 03-05-2023 11:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549653#Comment_120549653

Exactly. He was supposed to talk about how disinfectant works on surfaces to help reduce Covid spread. But he was trying to show off and started rambling about how maybe they're also going to look into finding a way to use the disinfectant to remove the virus internally, because he didn't understand that one doesn't translate to the other.

Part of it is just lack of knowledge on his part, part of it likely down to him trying to reassure the public that they have a handle on things (like all his comments in February about how it was only about 15 people who had it and it'd be gone soon because they were managing it so well), and part of it is trying to sound smarter than he is by trying to propose something so as if there was ever any way that someone made some version of what he said work, some minisclue, tenuous link between what he said and what worked, he could take the credit for it.

Penn · 03-05-2023 11:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549671#Comment_120549671

Man, the guy didn't understand cyber, yet still managed to prove Lindell's evidence was wrong. Goes to show how flimsy the evidence was.

Burty330 · 03-05-2023 11:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549653#Comment_120549653

We can both agree what he said was a failure in communication. But it just isn't true that he implied or suggested the public should drink bleach.

He referred to "medical doctors" and how their treatment could potentially kill the disease and finnished up by stating it may or may not work.

03-05-2023 11:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549709#Comment_120549709

Exactly.

The reaction to anything Donald Trump-related is so overblown, so exaggerated, by the same vocal minority.

The same people who responded to this Tweet by Nigel Farage today - the level of hate these people possess is totally unhealthy and seemingly all-consuming.

Totally irrational.

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1653675026082672642

Boggles · 03-05-2023 11:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549724#Comment_120549724

Normally I wouldn't click on anything like that but it did throw up this piece of gold, so thank you.

https://twitter.com/StuartM93716044/status/1653675830596206592

Christy42 · 03-05-2023 11:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549709#Comment_120549709

No he went straight from disinfectant to the injections and then to the medical doctors. I have reread it repeatedly and it does imply that disinfectant should be used in the lungs. Thankfully he does say you should get a doctor to do it who would then advise against it. However the first bit definitely suggests it is disinfectant as the treatment.

He pretty obviously had no clue what was going on but is trying to come across as knowledgeable. It definitely isn't good faith as you suggested as he is going beyond what he has been told and it leads him to trouble.

Whether it works or not is not the issue, the issue is the killing of the person dumb enough to read too much into Trump's bluster.

Quin_Dub · 03-05-2023 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549709#Comment_120549709

Exactly , a "Failure to communicate" driven by his stupidity and arrogance.

He didn't "mean" to say things on TV that caused actual humans to drink bleach , but that's what happened.

And it happened because he is too stupid to know when he is out of his depth and when to shut up.

He's also too stupid & arrogant to know where and when it is appropriate to "spitball" ideas - Questions/Ideas like that (as mind-numbingly dumb as they were) should be asked in private briefings (likely the ones he never attended) and not on live TV.

MisterAnarchy · 03-05-2023 11:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549231#Comment_120549231

I never said that, I said multireg and I never specifically mentioned you, read what I said again.

MisterAnarchy · 03-05-2023 12:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549724#Comment_120549724

TDS is a real thing Im afraid, these people need a hate figure and by God Trump is that.

Penn · 03-05-2023 12:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549903#Comment_120549903

That's completely not true. I have plenty of hate figures. If anything, I need fewer of them.

duploelabs · 03-05-2023 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549846#Comment_120549846

You said in response to my question 'I don't engage with reregs' and again, as always, dodged the initial question. It's textbook by now

astrofool · 03-05-2023 12:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549903#Comment_120549903

Not a hate figure, a clown to laugh at and make the supporters look silly over and over (look at them arguing about ingesting bleach again).

This was and is a comedy thread for the stupidity of trump supporters and the conservative leaning values he pretends to represent.

Baba Yaga · 03-05-2023 12:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549738#Comment_120549738

id find it very hard to disagree with that statement...i also think mr trump is a fcukwit but thats just my opinion

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