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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,120 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Screenshot 2023-04-28 122834.png

    I read that neither road has been used by the Ukrainians for awhile now.

    I believe the above blue line represents the last open road to Bakhmut that is not under direct fire control from the Russians.

    It's all a moot point anyway, because there are only a few streets in the city that are still under Ukrainian control.

    May 9th is Russian victory day. I wonder are the Russians hoping to push Ukraine from Bakhmut by that day for propaganda purposes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,120 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I am not even debating the point that Ukraine have been wronged.

    The reality I am suggesting is that Ukraine don't have enough shells for artillery, or rockets for tubes.

    Let's see how the next few months go. I hope I am wrong and Ukraine can make decent inroads into occupied territory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But yet they took karkhiv and Kherson and Numerous other towns along the way , meanwhile Russia couldn't take bakhmut in 9 months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    As Reuters article points out, Kharkiv had little fortifications at all, and a very small grouping of Russians were stupidly tasked with holding the entire very large area.

    They were lucky that their under staffing of that front wasnt noticed sooner.

    And Kherson as pointed out umpteen times was a failure of Russian supply lines due to the fact they had only 2 bridges they could use, and were repeatedly being hit. The land offensive to north and east of Kherson didnt achieve much for an entire summer of fighting in the non-muddy season.

    Hopefully this summer is not as much of a stalemate for Ukraine as Kherson was at the line of conflict.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Kharkiv was a rout of Russian forces and no mistake and unbeilievably stupid planning and execution by Russia. Kherson was a good move by Russia. Someone made a decision that I doubt was welcomed by putin, but it was a good decision militarily.

    As it stands today Russia is dug in like a tick in the areas it currently occupies, the part of Donbas and the land bridge to Crimea and have been putting bodies on the ground. Unless another Kharkiv collapse happens, or Ukraine gets a LOT more western kit into the fray I can't see that changing any time soon. The reasons for the Kharkiv fúck up aren't present in current Russian occupied territory for a start. Russia has a lot of men in those areas. An actual NATO force could do it of course. Russia simply couldn't compete, but it wouldn't be so easy and they'd suffer casualities to do it.

    I've long held the conviction going wayyy back and even before Russia screwed up in Kharkiv and left Kherson that the current Russian held territories are likely to stay held by them, the only wriggle room for Ukraine being the land bridge between Donbas and Crimea, but with each month that has passed since with more and more men, conscripts or no, into that area and many if not most pro Ukrainian folks having left already, I see that as less and less an option for Ukraine to retake. Imho Crimea isn't even on the table. It's been almost entirely Russified since 2014. The parts of Donbas they hold are also more "Russian" since '14 and very much since '22 as Ukrainians quite bloody understandably flooded out of the place. And remember nearly 3 million Ukrainians fled to Russia and they're not all unwilling refugees. Even of only half of them were pro Russia that means a potential 1.5 pro Russian Ukrainians who could return to Russian held areas.

    On the other side of that, unless Ukrainian forces and will completely collapse areas like Odessa are not on the table for Russia either. Their other dim hope of taking all to the Dnepier is a pipe dream. They had their chance to take huge swathes of Ukraine at the start and failed miserably and won't get the chance again.

    When talks come and they will, I suspect the map of those talks won't be too much different to today.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Do the Russian casualties include only those of the official armed forces of the Russian Federation? Or do they also incluse the militias of the DPR and LPR, the so-called "peoples' republics" which have recentyl been "officially" incorporated into the RF? Do they incluse groups like the Wagner Group? Both of these categories have apparentyl had very large casualty rates, so their inclusion would make a big difference.

    Also when it comes to numbers killed, do the Russian numbers include missing in action (i.e. no death benefits payable to family) or even the severly wounded left to die by the wonderfully caring Russian Army?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭rogber


    It's just notable that some of the most vitriolic "don't give an inch of land up, kill all the orcs" contributors seem to be more than happy to let others put in the ugly work. Hence my respect for that guy, who acted instead of just talking.

    If calling attention to those double standards upsets you, so be it. Keyboard warrior term exists for a reason.

    I value plenty of other contributors here who live in the real world and are interested in realistic assessment of what's happening rather than treating the whole thing as a glorified computer game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The WSJ published a BS article about Ukraine planning mass attacks on Moscow on the anniversary of the invasion. US media should be taken with a pinch of salt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Those estimates - are they compiled by the same lot who assured the world of WMDs in Iraq? I'll take Danilov's assurances of Ukrainian losses over any US 'estimate'. Just look at the 10 changes of story over the non delivery of Abrams tanks. The US are not to be trusted unreservedly, IMO.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It's owned by Murdoch, who's pro MAGA interference in his publications output have been essentially proven in court. Tucker Carlsons exit is part of the fallout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But then again who's to say that they weren't,

    Everything you don't like is all propaganda, every story is bs unless you share it ,

    Blinkered opinions don't help anyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I don't believe they include the Donbas republics because they are separate countries and definitely not Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Blinkered opinions? - That's rich coming from someone who stated they are right and Admiral John Kirby is wrong, when it comes to training requirements to operate switch blade drones.

    Not to mention your repeated denials that the A50 AWACS had been attacked and damaged, despite several media outlets posting the story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    hmm...an impossible task...no one can pull off...? sounds like a job for john wick...


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    John Wick, or maybe the Mission Impossible team....there was a story on here a few pages back, i don't know if you have seen it, but here goes. Putin ( the real one) had a bad accident, and his leg had to be amputated, it was unavoidable. All of Russia was in a state of shock, and none more that Putin's look alikes......



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And what exactly are they missing then?

    They have alot more trained soldiers this time,more tank,more armoured vehicles,more precision guided munitions,more air defences.

    And they managed without f16 last time they had an offensive.

    Ammo is being sorted for the counter offensive



  • Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ Willow Fat Neckerchief




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    😂 no i havnt seen that one...i can imagine the look a likes being a bit concerned 🤣


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Yes and I'm right ,

    It's all propaganda unless you post it,

    You Can't even see the argument of course you can't see the point blinkered..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Ukraine liberating all of its territories would definitely be a win. Even if this means that the war is not over (for that Putin needs to be removed).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    when this war started the Ukrainian army more or less had duct tape,vise grips and wd40 and not much more but they have vast quantaties of motivation,they dont want to be part of fookhead in the kremlins country,they have their own and want to keep it and now they have much more weapons of all kinds,tanks,artillery,small arms and ammunition,id guess that anything the Ukrainian Army is doing at the moment is probing the front line,seeing whats weak,strong,reasonably easy,hard and making their plans as to when and how they move next...to quote the Rolling Stones 'you cant always get what you want...but...sometimes...you get what you need' i think the Ukraines will get what they need...


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭8mv


    'Dvenatzit' means twelve if that's what you think you heard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Not exactly true no,

    The Ukrainan military had come along way compared to 2014 ,they have also been training with Nato and other forces for the last 10 years at least,they also had thousands of tanks and armoured vehicles and an airforce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I know the Donbas "republics" are not part of Russia. But they have people fighting on the Russian side, so their casualties should be added to the Russian total, albeit with a separate identity, like Wagner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,500 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    These daily arguments between the two most active posters are becoming tiresome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    yeah true they had more then duct tape,vise grips and wd40...but theyre a lot better equipped and more manpower now then last year...






    plus theres not much that cant be fixed with vise grips,duct tape and wd40


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Yeah I get that,

    But this is Russia we're not losing men but the other republics are suffering heavy losses, with there mosin nagant bolt action rifles from WW2 and tin helmets,

    This is part of the misinformation the Kremlin use ,come the end of the war they Will categorise their losses to the different republics and tell us Russians didn't die and Wagner is made up of foreign recruits meaning even less Russians died and people will believe them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    I think it is two Irish men now killed fighting on the side of freedom. I hope they are both honoured by the State and it would be nice to see a plaque or statue honouring them in their localities. There families should be rightfully proud of them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The 19 French made Caesar artillery pieces donated by Denmark have arrived. A magnificent gesture, their entire inventory.

    And the 6 Spanish Leopards arrived in Poland.



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