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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Hypothetically if Ukraines southern offensive is a roaring success along with a northern offensive that takes Svatove keeping the Russians spread out.

    Now let's say late summer Ukraine were to enter Crimea and start advancing. The Kerch bridge is blown and Russian ships forced to leave Sevastopol. Does Putin withdraw his entire army from Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts to try hold it and push the Ukrainians back or does he fight a multi front battle and risk losing Crimea?


    Imo the best chance Ukraine have of retrieving it is that scenario. And if they start advancing through Kherson oblast Russians planter's in Crimea will start leaving before the bridge is blown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Crimea is what Russia probably wants most out of all of this, but is also their most precious position if Kerch is taken out along with the land bridge. Historically Crimea is a massively difficult challenge to invade and I fully expect the Russians might leave the DPR and LPR to their own devices and move most of their forces to Crimea to try to prevent a takeover.

    Crossing the 2014 trenchlines and fighting for Donetsk in particular would be a massive headache for the AFU that even with all of the new Western armour. I think we’d probably see a creeping advance towards the actual Russian border that might take another year or two, assuming the local “People’s Republics” are abandoned by the main Russian army.

    But this is all assuming the Russians can even manage the logistics of moving their main forces to Crimea and most important, keeping them supplied. I don’t have much faith in their abilities there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    He tried to buck the system, and in Putins Russia, that in itself is a crime. Putinland is one huge open air prison.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    If Ukraine were to give up territory to the Russians in a peace settlement, and Im not saying they would or should, they can most easily give up Donbas. At this stage, so much of it has been destroyed that its a massive headache to rebuild. So in a scenario where Ukraine takes Crimea, or rather Russia abandons Crimea to strenghten the Donbas, that would be the last phase of the war.

    I dont think its all that likely though. Crimea can be supplied even without the Kerch bridge and Russia is unlikely to give it up without a massive fight. More likely Russia woukd forsake Donbas to secure Crimea.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The region to the EAST (temporarily occupied by Orcs) is where a treasure trove of mineable material exists. Russia wants this.

    The Kerch bridge was built for a reason, it’s hard to supply and maintain planters by Ferries. Ferries can go boom too.

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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The difference between Orcistan and Ukraine can be summed up in many ways by this article.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But look closer at the images plenty of impacts but like or no craters from explosions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Crimea would be tricky to supply especially with the kirsch bridge gone or badly damaged again,boats and aircraft would be the quickest options but if the Ukrainan get close enough it won't be safe for aircraft or boats to get across to it , and HiMars can destroy any of the bases infrastructure too , it's possible to completely isolate forces and the population at the same time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Leaving out Crimea, if Ukraine pushed all the way back to the Russian border and the Russians don't surrender, what then? Do the Ukrainians have to keep pushing on into Russia? Is that a different war then? Do they just stand at the border and dig in? Is it a Korean peninsula situation where both stand off each other for decades?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’m betting on good old Russian incompetence and disregard for safety on this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I fear this might be the case if Ukraine can fight all the way to the actual border. They’d have to entrench and fortify the border against an increasing unstable Russia which at this stage can’t be trusted to abide by any peace agreement without major changes within their leadership.

    What Ukraine has started and might continue, is the enablement of anti-Putin Russian partisans who are equipped and trained to Ukrainian standards. An active insurgency against the Kremlin may serve them just as well as an actual land invasion of Russia proper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    2nd bomb unexploded found in Belogrod very surprised it didn't explode when the first one went off ,






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,656 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Shame it didn't go off now they'll just find a way to launch it at Ukraine again.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Highly unlikely that gets reworked and loaded onto a plane. They’ll have to destroy it. Granted the Russians can be stupid, but surely not THAT stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,509 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,073 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Has to be done, we've seen security guarantees such as Budapest only give a false sense of security. It is Russia that has pushed Ukraine into NATO by leaving it no other option to preserve its sovereignty.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Has in been confirmed Hungary have stopped acting the bollix?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


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    Maybe, but a Ukrainian media site had an interesting perspective on the large number of fires and 'accidents' in Mordor: https://news.obozrevatel.com/ukr/russia/rosiya-gorit-i-vibuhae-hto-priklav-ruku-do-divnih-np-i-scho-bude-dali.htm

    Burn and escape

    In Russia, not only military and infrastructure facilities are burning, but also shopping centers, markets and cafes. After a large-scale fire in Khimki (part of the urban agglomeration of Moscow), Kirill Sazonov, a Ukrainian blogger, political expert, and now a volunteer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, wrote that he was sure that these were not Ukrainian DRGs.

    "An airfield, an aircraft factory, infrastructure, everything military or related to the military industry is possible. Market in Khimki? Definitely not. We will not waste resources on such facilities. Unlike the aggressor, we use resources wisely and with surgical efficiency. Nevertheless, in Russia last year a lot of factories and shopping centers, markets and warehouses have been burning. Partisans? Don't laugh. I think the owners themselves, who have not yet grown to sanctions, get rid of property in Russia for the sake of insurance. Even with a kickback, it is now much more interesting for them to get insurance and dump them from this "beautiful" country – where they will be allowed," Sazonov believes.

    His version is confirmed in the Russian Federation. It turned out that many civilian objects affected by fires were insured for huge sums that fully cover the losses of the owners.

    According to estimates by the OSINT community Molfar, more than 400 mysterious fires and "cotton" were recorded in Russia last year. At the same time, every tenth fire was recorded in the Moscow region. Three and a half months of 2023 have already shown that there will be a new record.

    That article also has an interesting update on the explosion and fire at the FSB headquarters in Rostov some months ago. Apparently they recovered a Ukrainian drone and took it to HQ to examine, and it woke up and completed it's mission and went boom, killing 3 special forces Orcs.

    A glorious Trojan horse moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I wouldn't bet on that.

    Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban has cast doubt on Ukraine's long-held aspiration to join Nato.

    His intervention came after the bloc's boss, Jens Stoltenberg, said on Friday that "all Nato allies have agreed that Ukraine will become a Nato member".

    Mr Stoltenberg has consistently said Kyiv will join Nato in the medium term, once the Russian invasion is over.

    But Mr Orban was quick to express his surprise at the latest claim in a one-word tweet on Friday afternoon.

    "What?!" the Hungarian prime minister exclaimed, reacting to an article on Mr Stoltenberg's comments.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    Imagine everyone on the bus just got dropped off at the front line :-D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Orban holds a card in nato along with Erdogan,

    Sweden aren't nato members despite being prime candidates thanks to Erdogan who still hasn't said a thing about planned Ukrainian attacks on Russian forces in Syria with Kurdish forces help,

    Last thing we need to see is the Turks pivoting towards putin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Another few incidents like this, and they'll think that they are on the front line !!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    That post above about Russian business owner's burning their properties to claim insurance is far more plausible then partisans. Especially places that don't aid the war effort.

    NATO will keep the ship steady for now but I hope there's a reckoning after this war ends. Hopefully they create a NATO 2.0 and disband the old one. New members can join as long as they get a 75% vote. Everyone free to leave if they don't like it. That would soon end the power of rogue's like Hungary and Turkey. Currently they're entirely at their mercy.

    The fact Sweden of all countries can't get in shows how easily this defensive alliance is to sabotage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,471 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That's kind of how NATO works already, Orban will pretend he has power about it, but reality is that he won't. They just don't say the quiet part loud (EU operates very similarly).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Welcome to the latest account



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Multiple missles hit karkhiv,

    Possibly From the black sea fleet that moved into positions yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Field east


    It’s ABSOLUTLY pure nonsense that Ukr cannot target any kind of a missle launched from any ship - even if positioned in any part of the Black or any other sea. I understand that this is because of American policy. The same should go from any land based missle launcher in Moscovy itself. It’s the same as having YOUR TWO HANDS tied behind your back. As things stand Moscovy can bang away from its own territory deep into Ukr territory and the UKr can do nothing about it



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