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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,204 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭francois




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,883 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And virtually every reply to that tweet is from a randomer with a Blue Tick..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,284 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    LeBron has form for this already so its just showing how clueless the Muskhards actually are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Seems like all this effort by the genius has driven a whole 28 additional legacy blue checkmarks to pay $8




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    That'll cover his interest payments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,032 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yeah see the numbers are going up he only needs another *checks notes* 10 million subscribers to be able to service all the debt hes loaded the company with.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,914 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    And we already know he paid for 3 of those checkmark (King, LeBron, Shatner) himself, so that's only 25.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Don't care for Musk much but I do see what he is trying to do with the subscription model. It's a change in how online news sources and 'journalism' is managed and paid for. For many years now, people have come accustomed to 'free' sources as various platforms and publishers competed. That's going out the window and has to, in order to sustain the 'free' model. Of course there is resistance, it's like changing course of a flotilla of cruise liners.

    But it's how it will go - the days of free content that is anyway managed or moderated is going away. Pay for what you get will be the new model.

    Surprised if boards here doesn't go the same way at some stage. Suck the inevitable up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,312 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Think you are confused. What Musk is doing is the opposite of what you describe. The content twitter has comes from its creators... Musk isnt looking for subscriptions from people to view it. But the people creating it!

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    And what makes that even worse, the current benefit to those creators for using Twitter is very low compared to other platforms



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It's creators are also it's consumers and participants. You know the old cliche, that there can be no free lunch. And there can't be, it just doesn't work as a model that needs a lot of cash to run. Look at the traditional newspapers increasingly going behind pay walls. In time, I think what will remain free, will be regarded as highly suspect - either state sponsored propaganda or commercial marketing etc.

    Like a lot of things in life, the free bits only last so long in order to create a new market and then they have to be paid for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    If you make the lunch, it's generally free as a perk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,953 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The subscriptions are for the content creators le bron. He is charging the people the platform will die without



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,312 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    This is the Twitter thread. You know what doesnt work? Musks Twitter model of driving away premium advertisers and trying to get money from the content creators that bring people to Twitter.

    You havent explained how the new Twitter model works or even tried to or how it will produce more revenue than the old Twitter approach. The old Twitter approach was enough to cover the costs of the service - it wasnt having to pay off the overvalued takeover burden. Thats what needs a lot of cash.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,914 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Most of the ads that showed up as I scrolled twitter about 5 minutes ago were all for.... f*ck only knows what. They were in Chinese or something. No idea what the ads were for. That's the sign of a great advertising campaign.

    Also a sign that big advertisers, ones who might actually advertise something relevant to me or at the very least in the language I speak, have reduced their advertising spend.

    Everyone knows what the deal is with Twitter, Facebook etc. You're not the customer, you're the product. These sites make their money from advertising, APIs and user data, not from the general users. They need as many general users as possible and keep them by providing them with content to keep them engaged. That content comes from other users.

    Twitters biggest selling point to general users is the content provided by celebrities, news sites etc, and the ability to engage in discussion on any topic quickly and easily. Now with Musk's changes, he's ruined the verification system which helps people know they're following or viewing tweets from the actual person, news or etc. When replying to celebs etc, your tweets are now given less weight compared to Twitter Blue subscribers. When discussing topics, news, entertainment etc, your tweets are now given less weight compared to Twitter Blue subscribers. And all of that affects what advertisers you have and how much they want to advertise on Twitter. On a reputation basis alone, advertisers see Twitter and Musk as being far more volatile and risky than before.

    There is absolutely an argument to be made that Twitter as it was was unsustainable as a company, and there likely did need to be a decent reduction in staff numbers and overheads. Absolutely.

    Twitter Blue and the other changes Musk has made to the usability of the site for the actual user base though, that's not part of the answer, that's causing entirely new and self-inflicted problems. The vast, vast majority are never going to pay for Twitter, because ultimately there are still numerous other avenues for them to get the same stuff for free; Twitter was at its most convenient for being a centralised location for it. But they will eventually go elsewhere rather than pay. And Musk has also given absolutely no reason for people to pay, and his entire attitude about it all has made the Blue tick now something that is being openly mocked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    If people are to pay twitter for the content that it produces fair enough. From what I know about twitter though, it seems that it's the users that produce the content. They "tweet" words and people go to twitter to read these tweets. It might be the case that twitter produces their own content to be consumed by their users but they're far from the most popular. If tweets from users are what drive eyeballs to the website and attract advertising dollars, maybe twitter should be paying users like youtube does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Didn't see you make that point before responding to the same post.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Davis Salmon Scumbag


    Just goes to show what a brainbox the Dear Leader is when he's left in the room on his own after sacking the people with all the intelligence and know-how.

    I think Twitter Blue was a decent idea as an optional feature. I'd have probably signed up to it going back over the years when I lived on Twitter. The edit button(with a short window in which to edit), posting longer videos, text-formatting, and couple of other bits would have been nice.

    But the whole pay2play and get your tweets boosted is a load of bollocks and I wouldn't have wanted that stupid blue tick. Instead of funny/intelligent replies making their way to the top, we now have fellas who left their mother's box room to raid her purse clogging up the replies with "*SLURRRRRRP* DADDY ELON!!!!!".

    One of the greatest (and definitely the most expensive) acts of self-sabotage we've ever seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭francois




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  • Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is there a reason Musk could not have added other 'Colors' or icons to indicate users status?

    In initially he wanted to make changes and did not have to time change a lot of code, so reusing the existing 'system' was the easiest thing to do. There seems to be a fixation on Blue, I know of autistic children with the same issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    So this has been a disaster already?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭francois




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    They have done this for government agencies/representatives.


    The pope for example now has a grey tick, I'm not sure if this is paid for or given out by yet witter for free.


    I agree that they could have done a whole range for users though.


    Screenshot_20230422_084141_Twitter.jpg Screenshot_20230422_084148_Twitter.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,914 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Celebs and accounts of importance (and eventually even minor accounts of 'influencers' and the like could apply for it if they verified their account) were always given a blue tick. Some people felt this gave those accounts an air of superiority. When Musk took over, he announced there would no longer be such a "princes and paupers" system, and that anyone could apply for a blue tick through the new Twitter Blue system, so long as they paid for it (making it an actual princes and paupers system rather than one which just helps verification). Musk fans, and even many here on this exact thread, were delighted that Hollywood elitists would no longer be so special, and would be forced to pay for their blue tick.

    Instead what's happened is that Musk fans have bought their blue ticks, and most Hollywood elitists were fine with losing the blue tick, because it was never about any kind of showing superiority or elitism, it was a feature Twitter historically used so when you saw a tweet or account from a celebrity, you knew it was actually from them. That helps keep regular users engaged on the site knowing they're following and can tweet at the actual person or organisation they're following. Hell there were even celebs who didn't want to be on or use Twitter who got verified accounts just to prevent people pretending to be them.

    So the blue colour of the tick was important, because it was the one historically used, and it was the one some people felt meant Hollywood elitists gave them importance. Now, Musk fans have bought blue ticks, and Hollywood elitists have happily abandoned theirs, and now Musk fans are complaining that the Hollywood elitists are so elitist that they won't even pay the $8 they could easily afford because they think not paying it means they're better than those who do.

    Because ultimately, it was never about the blue tick, it was just petty resentment and their own preconceived notions of celebs feeling special every time they opened Twitter and saw the blue tick beside their name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    So according to some the space x launch failed because Musk made the decision not to include flame diverters on the launch pad which caused the launch pad to basically disintegrate and fling debris into the engines.


    Screenshot_20230422_092741_Twitter.jpg

    Musk always seems to think he knows best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Agree with much of what you say but the times they are a changin. Advertising is all well and good if it's producing revenue but it also become white noise after a while and easily ignored. Product placement and paid influencing is more effective but also has a limit. So subscription is where it has to go.

    You say "The vast, vast majority are never going to pay for Twitter, because ultimately there are still numerous other avenues for them to get the same stuff for free".

    Yessss but those sources will come to be perceived as unreliable and full of junk and spam.

    The industry is maturing and the bigger players realise that 'free' was of it's time and now they need to monetise it on a firmer basis. With subs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,914 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Agree to a point, but Twitter isn't offering anything worthwhile for its subscription. Ability to edit tweets? Basic feature that should have been implemented long ago anyway, but even then people can just delete tweets and correct them, or post a clarification. Longer tweets? Goes against the benefit of twitter that forces people to be more concise. Longer videos? Tiktok and Instagram have shown that shorter videos get more engagement, and for anything longer people can just link to a YouTube video.

    The only real benefit is promoting your tweets above non-Twitter Blue users. But of course, the more people who have Twitter Blue, the less benefit that has.

    What you think Twitter needs to become in terms of subscription model etc, is never going to happen to the scale that Twitter was at, or needs. These are huge changes to the fundamental core of the site that people have been using for 10+ years, and is likely to drive the majority of users away the more and more the benefits of the site become locked behind a subscription model.

    Subscription may be where some sites need to go, but not social media sites, because the entire core design around them is being able to easily and freely discuss with, engage with, or even just follow other people's accounts, share things with them, discuss with them. Twitter Blue is doing everything it can to reduce that. It doesn't work for what Twitter is, and will never generate the income Twitter needs it to to balance the debt Musk has landed the company with. Especially with the stigma now attached to the blue tick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,914 ✭✭✭✭Penn




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




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