Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Funily enough there is absolute no sign or trace of that happening whatsoever.

It’s hardly unusual or surprising that a legal challenge hasn’t been raised when Irish sporting organisations don’t discriminate against people on the basis of gender, they’re pretty inclusive that way, not to mention that people who are transgender are rare enough in Irish society, and even more rare is the number of people who are transgender who actively participate in any sport. There was a recent incident involving a person who is transgender who was participating in sport, and other people who didn’t want them to compete against them. That wasn’t the organisation discriminating against them though, it was people who wanted the organisation to discriminate against them.

No idea how it turned out, but nobody is likely to pursue a legal challenge to not being discriminated against. I wouldn’t put it past someone though, like that chap who complained on social media because he hadn’t been discriminated against! 😳

https://gript.ie/male-trinity-student-comes-2nd-in-womens-race/

Oddball 🙄

Right, thanks for that.

So where does it say that the sports/games have to be "equal" though? People can participate but where does your stance on equality stand? You have barked on about equal rules etc but yet again, it seems like it is just a bunch of hot air from you.

Clearly as it stands, keep sport segregated by sex is the fairest approach with equality and safety for males and females adhered to.

I have asked before, I will ask again, how would you change these rules to make it more equal? Please at least try answer that.

I’ve answered your question already, numerous times, and unlike what you appear to be doing, my answer is based upon reality, as opposed to pulling ideas out of my arse and expecting them to fly.

Equality legislation is intended to prohibit unlawful discrimination. Organisations are free to structure their competitions and activities however they wish as long as they are compliant with Irish and international Human Rights law. In areas where anyone is discriminated against on any of the nine grounds, is where I would seek changes to the rules of the organisation.

Theres no such concept as “more equal”, it’s inherently contradictory. There is such a concept as eliminating unjust discrimination, which is where there are rules which exist which place an unfair burden on any individual or group in Irish society. You’re perfectly capable of wrapping your head around that concept, but it’s becoming apparent you’d prefer to pretend you can’t.

It IS discrimination, obviously.

The question is whether it’s unlawful, and I don’t think it is. Other people are entitled to think it is unlawful, which is the point you were making earlier in relation to anyone being entitled to pursue a legal challenge, which I’m certain everyone is aware of already. I just didn’t want to be rude and make the point that you were stating the obvious.

It’s the bit in (4) where you’ve taken the goalposts and ran with them by stating that by virtue of (1) and (3) there is no legal impediment to other sports bodies implementing broadly similar rules, etc. The legal impediment hasn’t gone anywhere, it still exists in Irish law, and it’s exactly what would impede other sports bodies from implementing broadly similar rules.

FWIW in terms of Irish law, there wouldn’t be any distinction made between sex and gender in terms of whether or not the discrimination is unlawful. It would depend upon the circumstances whether or not it would or could be considered unlawful discrimination.

In reality, our opinions wouldn’t be worth shìt in a Court of Law. It would be entirely up to the Courts to interpret how Irish law applies in any particular case if someone were to pursue a legal action on the basis that they claim to have been the victim of unlawful discrimination. There’s just no way for anyone to know beforehand whether they would be successful or not.

It is correct. The exemptions you’re referring to are lawful exemptions, and therefore do not constitute unlawful discrimination. There wouldn’t be any distinction made between sex and gender -

The Equal Status Acts 2000-2018 (‘the Acts’) prohibit discrimination in the provision of goods and services, accommodation and education. They cover the nine grounds of gender, marital status, family status, age, disability, sexual orientation, race, religion, and membership of the Traveller community. In addition, the Acts prohibit discrimination in the provision of accommodation services against people who are in receipt of rent supplement, housing assistance, or social welfare payments.

The Acts prohibit discrimination subject to some exemptions, in access to and use of goods and service, including indirect discrimination and discrimination by association, sexual harassment and harassment, and victimisation. The Acts allow positive action to promote equality for disadvantaged persons or to cater for the special needs of persons.

https://www.ihrec.ie/guides-and-tools/human-rights-and-equality-in-the-provision-of-good-and-services/what-does-the-law-say/equal-status-acts/

You haven't answered a single question, not one. You are trying to play me for a fool, you talk utter rubbish, make claims, never back them up at all, post some long winded post and a few links and think you have made a point. You don't have anything of relevance to contribute to here in the slightest.

So I will ask again, and I will reword it so you can't easily snake your way out of it. How would you "eliminate" discrimination in sports, if there are any? If competitors are being discriminated again, what measures would you seem to change the rules. Please answer that, you have not answered it.

I have stated my position time and time again, separating sports by biological is not only fair, but safe due to the massive physiological differences between the sexes. Simple.

The only difference is in sports where it becomes a health and safety risk as opposed to a mere fair competition one.

Oh stop it with the health and safety risk nonsense when you were willing to dismiss the idea earlier of having all players wear protective gear on the basis that most players wouldn’t want to wear it! I know well for example why some lads don’t want to wear helmets, “helmets are for sissys”, etc. You really think people aren’t aware of the excuses because they’re not elite athletes or something, of course they are, because they’re members of a society which doesn’t give a flying fcuk about science, and neither do you.