The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

It would be better if Dublin continue to improve their hurling, and become a dual county. A hurling All Ireland or even a few more Leinsters would dilute talent available to the footballers. Many high level footballers and hurlers could operate in both codes, but they cannot do it at intercounty these days.

Dublin are still second behind Kilkenny, and ahead of Wexford in the Leinster roll of honour. All from the old days of course, except 2013. Time for a proper revival.

No counties want to merge currently as far as I am aware- I'm just saying if they wanted to, and it was done voluntarily, then it should be facilitated. But Dublin should be split regardless. Intra-Dublin rivalries would be probably be opposed initially but then real supporters of the game would row in behind the new teams.

There shouldn't be splits in other counties as no other county enjoys the unique combination of unfair advantages that Dublin have enjoyed and continue to enjoy- that is being an enormous outlier in terms of population, a recipient of huge overfunding from the GAA, sponsorship partners and more, having finals and semi-finals in their home ground etc. So other counties can be considered to win things fairly, whereas Dublin's recent success has come off a platform of unfair advantages. This also means that even though Dublin have somehow failed to win the All-Ireland these last two years, despite these unfair advantages, that they should be split- it is the unfairness we are ultimately all trying to rectify, not just the fact they have been more successful recently.

Except splitting Dublin into whatever and not looking at splitting other counties with resources well in excess of smaller counties isnt whats best for Gaelic. Dublin do have some unique combination of advantages(majority are natural and fair and not unfair at all)

Dublins funding exploded for a period but that also has to take into account its population exploding. its ability to gain sponsorship cant be used as a criticism. many other counties get huge funding from donors as well. Dublin play in the national stadium a lot because its a capital city and host of national stadium and a lot of counties choose to play some games there that sometimes could be played elsewhere as teams/players/fans want to play in the national stadium

It shouldnt be facilitiated nor should splitting Dublin. Kerry/Cork at times and other counties elsewhere in other provinces have huge advantages over their local rivals and always have and always will have those advantages yet there isnt calls for splits. splitting dublin will do nothing for most leinster counties and in fact makes it harder for most smaller counties as they have yet another strong team taking up place in later rounds of championship which reduces their chances of gaining one of those sports.

Dublin win All-Irelands with home advantage. Other counties win All-Irelands without home advantage. Wins without home advantage carry more weight in gold.

That's just the way it is. Somethings'll never change That's just the way it is.

1 neutral All-Ireland = 3 home All-Irelands.

Dublin won the 1894 All-Ireland in Thurles, 1898 in Tipperary, 1902 in Cork, 1906 in Athy and 1907 in Tipperary.

That's 5 neutral All-Irelands and 25 home All-Irelands for Dublin. Using a fair balancing equation, Dublin have a total of 13.33 All-Irelands.

Dublin, Kerry, tyrone, Mayo all have huge money going into them. A lot of counties have decent budgets, some don't.

The difference is that where most counties were/are doing it themselves, dublin received a gold plated, highly targetted and centrally funded package over two decades, on top of their sponsorship deals. The scheme is gradually being expanded to more counties now, but there is no denying the special treatment they recieved to get them to the top of the game

To allow for the huge population !

And yes, a split helps all Leinster counties, including Dublin, and indeed all counties in the country- it reduces the massive amount of unfairness that Dublin currently contribute to the All-Ireland.

Cope yourself on Lad

No that's not what I said at all

No, Dublin alone need to be split. THey are a massive statistical outlier by population size. No other county needs to be split. Combined with their other advantages (e.g. funding), a 4+-way split is necessary now though.

Your attempts to introduce Leitrim, a pointless red herring, is laughable. You clearly don't care about them. They are also an outlier, just in the opposite direction. It is a separate issue that requires a different approach and different solutions. But Dublin being split should happen regardless- it would help also Leitrim given that it helps everyone.

Rather than approach this debate from the point of view of "What is best for Dublin?", you should view if from "what is best for the GAA?". If you take the latter approach, like I do, it becomes obvious that a split of Dublin alone is a great move for the GAA. It increases the fairness of the inter-county competition and thereby enhances the game in all counties.

Again disagree , your anti Dublin , its plain for everyone to see

No, there's 263 pages on the thread and it's all been well trashed out. Search for my previous posts on the thread if your interested

Evidence of Dublin's unfair funding and GDO advantages has been provided countless times over the course of the thread- use the search function.

No, splitting Dublin helps every county, including Dublin. It reduces the unfair advantages concentrated in the current Dublin team (population, funding, playing at home) by dispersing them among 4-6 teams instead.

Dublin has always been an outlier population-wise, but this doesn't mean it was fair, just that the status quo before was unfair- make no mistake about it, Dublin have always been unfairly advantaged. You repeatedly acknowledge that splitting will result in more teams that are difficult to beat and your "solution" is to instead concentrate the unfair advantages in a single team, which is even more unfair.

Dublin players will still be able to challenge for Sam Maguire and indeed a split would result in more players from the county challenging, another way a split helps gaelic games in Dublin.

Except it doesnt help every county as the weaker counties will have yet another strong team ahead of them which means less places available in the latter stages of Leinster and then qualifiers as a result

Dublin got some advantages for a time and yes the funding could be now given to some other counties who's population has exploded in recent times but 4-6 sides is just not right and is petty to look for it as it is downright ridiculous and if you were to decimate dublin like that then you have to rewrite the entire inter county structure and split or combine all counties to make things fair

All split dublin sides would be unfairly advantaged especially with multiple splits. one of the primary tenets of the GAA is identity. Nobody in Dublin identifies as anything other than a north sider/south sider or plain and simply as a dub. that is logic and something you cant grasp at all