Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

We dont have a choice as to whether or not teachers come into work. If they dont come in then the children dont get taught.

Im not sure rural ireland would want all the Dublin teachers living in their backyards and spending every day commuting to a school in the city, renting and buying up cheaper housing while they are at it, which removes housing stock for locals in rural ireland.

prices wont fall without a real & significant increase in new builds, as supply is just far too weak vs demand and that wont change for years, particularly in the Dublin area.

So we do need to do something in the shorter term to manage the accommodation issue, especially for key workers on low to mid salaries.

As per my last post, we may leave the salary weighting option alone but instead provide targeted affordable and shared equity homes for key workers.

The govt could really help in that regard by injecting cash into delivery of these units and reserving the majority of them for key workers.

Absolutely... That fellow was a chancer... He didn't pay his rent for 8 months... Then he said he kept it an account for the landlord... He probably thought he landed in the land of opportunities with free rent. Landlord shouldn't have losted like he did but perhaps he was riddled with mortgage debt on behalf of a "surgeon"... What surgeon acts like that!!

Big percentage of notices for both renovations or selling were deemed invalid.

Perhaps this is why not much is coming on the market. We are in froze mode.

So they should be allowed jump the housing list? Is that what you are proposing…make them no1 priority even if partner holds a top paying job or a millionaire. They are far from the only cohort that is impacted by the housing crisis.

This is the point, in principle if a landlord gives notice for any of the valid reasons it is impossible to determine if that is invalid in advance, for example for their own or family use, they move in later....renovations, are done later...selling, is done later. The property owner has a right to make their own decisions on timing of all of those things, to put the burden of proof on them in advance as default is just wrong or might be setting an impossible hurdle. It is their property, the burden of proof should be on any challenge to them exercising their property rights. The stuff around typos and sending to RTB on the same day etc. is even worse.

Neither should be prioritized IMO the gov should build a sh1t load of these modular houses around the country and put all of our welfare renters and Refugees in them and the properties they are in should be put on to the market which would seriously increase supply in a very short time frame if the political will was there to do it. The public service workers are already paid a 20% premium you can look this up on the CSO website, they should be getting no more on that ground and public sector workers outside the big cities should see a pay decrease and with the savings all workers get a reduction in paying income tax that is fair for all tax payers not just the ones you cherry pick.

So a public sector teacher gets 20% more than a private teacher?

If thats not your comparison then it isnt like for like and is irrelevant.

The public sector workers outside of Dublin should all get a pay cut, but they should also get an income tax decrease?

And everyone else in the land also gets an income tax decrease?

How does that balance the govts books?

Its a better suggestion than paying PS workers more who work in big cities - more money more inflation and more spending power to push prices in big cities up even further, thanks but no thanks

Some really crazy and bizarre posts...

One poster saying there's no such thing as an essential worker.

ie. A firefighter/paramedic/nurse/doctor/minister/taoiseach adds the same value to society as a teenager who pulls pints on Saturdays.

Another poster saying that it is acceptable for a landlord to move towards a tenant with a running circular saw as he was at the end of his tether. Presumably the same poster believes its ok for a husband to beat his wife if he's at the end of his tether. (It's not, in either case, by the way. One is illegal and the other is illegal.)

I didn't read anyone writing that it was 'OK' or 'acceptable' to attack anyone with a circular saw. Noting that someone is at the end of their tether is not the same as saying anything anyone does when at the end of their tether is OK. Might be a bit too nuanced for some but patently obvious to most.

And what about low paid workers in the private sector? A lot of these were classified as key workers during Covid. How do you define key worker? Nearly every job is needed to keep the economy going and could be classified as a key worker.

As for ‘tis only fair’ I don’t buy it…you are saying houses are prioritised to what you classify as a key worker over everyone else. If priority is given and more housing built for key workers it’s at an expense to someone else…it could be a home that a hardworking FTB could have bought.

A key worker is someone in the public sector providing essential services within the Health, Education or Infrastructure segments.

Teachers, Nurses, Transport Workers etc.

It isnt my definition, key worker is an established term.

There are a limited amount of homes and yes, some of those homes need to be prioritised for key workers, even if its at the expense of someone else.

Otherwise, only the highest earners gobble up all the houses.

I particularly disagree with the constant allocation of social housing to people earning no or low incomes. The govt should priortise key workers providing essential services, regardless of their salaries.

That doesnt mean we forget about everyone else, we should of course try to accommodate everyone. But in a world of limited stock and high demand, we have to prioritise someone, so whom would you choose, out of interest?

I could survive a long, long time without the services of the Departments of Health and Education.

The people who ensure there's a ready supply of food in my nearest Tesco are substantially more 'key' to my ongoing existence.

'Key worker' is a nonsense term.