The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

MattressRick · 17-04-2023 10:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120488027#Comment_120488027

Watch back the last few mins plus injury time. Tyrone players and supporters very much celebrated their last few points like they wanted to win.

dxhound2005 · 17-04-2023 10:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120488955#Comment_120488955

Another idea would be to not allow points to be scored from 13 metre frees. Make the players go for goals. Too many easy tap over frees.

Bass Reeves · 18-04-2023 12:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120489736#Comment_120489736

Talk about stupid suggestions you are making. The chance of scoring a goal from a 14(it 14 not 13) metre free is virtually zero, especially if the opposition know you have to go for it( eg when have you seen such a goal scored at the end of a match when a team is 2-3 points down).

Your stupid suggestions would give free rein to defenders to foul inside the 14 metre line( with the exception of the penalty area) as the freetaker would have to go for goal.

With defensive set up where teams are putting 13-14 players into the defensive area trying to break through a defence is getting away harder.

Outlawing the hand passed/ fisted point would make it even harder to break down defensives

legendary.xix · 18-04-2023 06:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120488999#Comment_120488999

Yeah. Not much change from two games. Just confirmation of Fermanagh entering the Tailteann Cup and Tyrone being a third seed. Derry or Monaghan and Galway or Roscommon will be the other third seeds.

For Fermanagh who didn't run Derry close, the Tailteann is a fair opportunity to go and have a good run.

elefant · 18-04-2023 08:12AM

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ArmaniJeanss · 18-04-2023 08:24AM

This bit from the RTE article has me confused, and I think it's wrong.

"There is some confusion that if Westmeath reached the Leinster final that would somehow open up another spot, but a place is only reserved for the Tailteann Cup winners if they haven’t already qualified. So, Westmeath will be taking the place of a higher-ranked team regardless and making the Leinster final would just mean a higher seeding for them in the group phase."

At the moment, there is a place for a Leinster runner-up and for the Tailteann winner. If both these teams are Westmeath then by definition another spot is opened up. So this is a way for the next ranked league team (possibly Meath?) to qualify. I don't know if this is a mistake by the journalist or just something they haven't explicitly stated in the article.

breezy1985 · 18-04-2023 08:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120490282#Comment_120490282

The list should have Westmeath listed as (I think) 4th seed with an asterisk next to it.

Also am I right in thinking that the way the draw has gone a Meath v Westmeath semi final should see Meath safely in Sam.

Currently upsetting Div 2 sides are Sligo/NY, Clare,Limk and Westmeath or am I forgetting someone (not including possible upsets)

dxhound2005 · 18-04-2023 09:03AM

From the Fixtures List. The operative phrase is "if not already qualified".

All-Ireland Senior Football Round 1 (Group Stage)

Counties Participating • The following 16 Counties shall be eligible to participate in the All-Ireland Championship Round 1 (Group Stage). (a) The 4 Provincial Champions (1st seeds) (b) The 4 Provincial Runners-Up (2nd seeds) (c) The next 4 highest-ranked teams at the conclusion of the National League (3rd seeds) (d) The next 4 highest-ranked teams at the conclusion of the National League (4th seeds)

Exception to (d): The previous year’s Tailteann Cup Winners if not already qualified as one of the teams in (a) to (d) above, shall be eligible instead of the team in (d) with the lowest National League ranking at the conclusion of that year’s National League.

• Note: The ranking of teams in the National League referred to above shall be on the basis of the outcomes of the National League, including those of Promotion and Relegation, of the Competition Year. For the avoidance of doubt, a league final winner will be considered a higher seed than the team they defeated in the final.

Green&Red · 18-04-2023 10:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120488953#Comment_120488953

I don't think they preplanned it but you can't fake jeopardy and not only is there no jeopardy there's an argument to say you're better off with the time off. Talking about needing extra matches is moot because they are guaranteed three more matches before they are playing the first of four knockout matches.

They way the championship is structured means that S&C wise you'll still be ramping up your fitness for the first couple of group matches with the aim of peaking for the last three weeks of the championship.

Tyrone looked like a team doing a heavy block of training

elderberry · 18-04-2023 11:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120490367#Comment_120490367

No, if Westmeath get to the Leinster final it only switches teams between seedings rather than open up a spot. Assuming the following provincial final pairings (winners in bold) then the seeds would be as below:

Dublin/Westmeath; Kerry/Clare; Galway/Sligo; Derry/Armagh.

1st Seeds: Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Derry

2nd Seeds: Westmeath, Clare, Sligo, Armagh

3rd Seeds: Mayo, Roscommon, Monaghan, Tyrone

4th Seeds: Donegal, Louth, Cork, Kildare

If Louth got to the Leinster final instead of Westmeath then the only change would be Louth as 2nd seed and Westmeath as 4th seeds.

MacDanger · 18-04-2023 12:51PM

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Every year, the top 15 in the league plus the TC winners are in the Sam Maguire. TC winners are 4th seed

If a team from outside this group of 16 make a provincial final, they bump off the 15th place team from the league.

If the TC winners make a provincial final, they don't bump off any of the 15 teams from the league (all it changes is that the TC team are now 1st/2nd seeds rather than 4th seed)

legendary.xix · 18-04-2023 01:04PM

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Players want games. The group stage will tell a lot. In theory being provincial winner should give a good chance of winning the first two games. Seeds 3 could lose away to a provincial winner in Round 1 and then they are under pressure in Round 2 to get a win.

Green&Red · 18-04-2023 01:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120491293#Comment_120491293

How much pressure are they going to be under? These are the teams give or take: Westmeath, Clare, Sligo, Armagh/Derry/Monaghan. Probably the team that gets the Ulster losers will be under a bit of pressure but all the third seeds would be big favourites against the other three and the fourth seeds

dxhound2005 · 18-04-2023 02:09PM

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Sorry, I got caught up in the Love In for Goals. For my real opinion see post #352. It is a 13 metre free, used to be a 14 yard free.

legendary.xix · 18-04-2023 02:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120491462#Comment_120491462

So they are relying on luck to avoid the Ulster runners-up?

Rockfish · 18-04-2023 02:14PM

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But there isnt a spot for both Leinster R-up AND Tailteann winner, the spot for Tailteann winner is there if they done make prov final or i could be totally wrong, but thats how it reads to me

Bass Reeves · 18-04-2023 02:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120491462#Comment_120491462

Problem with being a third seed is who you can draw. At this stage it's not I'll be Tyrone, Westmeath losers of Galway/Roscommon and Westmeath probably in the seed 3 group. If Westmeath make a provincial final it's another Northern team in S3 gp.

Depending on permutations these team may have to avoid Provincial winners/runners up in Ulster. The chance of drawing an Ulster team in gp2 increases. There is also the group4risk.

You are probably looking at Donegal/Armagh/Derry/Monoghan being two of these.

dxhound2005 · 18-04-2023 02:29PM

Mighty fixture in Breffni, 6.30 pm Saturday. A place in Pot 3 could be awaiting Armagh. Cavan must win to continue in Sam.

The poster PTH2009 was the only one out of nine to pick Monaghan in the Pools. They are the only one out of seven so far to pick Cavan.

Avon8 · 18-04-2023 02:43PM

The Third seeds will be Mayo, Tyrone, loser of Galway/Ros, loser of Derry/Monaghan. That's close to certain at this point and only changes if Kerry or Dublin don't make a provincial final.

The most likely seed 4 combination at this stage is Donegal, Kildare, Cork and Westmeath. That's subject to big change, with Armagh and Westmeath's provincial ties to come being of big importance in particular.

Avoiding Dublin/Kerry seems to be the big advantage of getting a no.1 seed. Albiet half of the lower seeds will achieve that regardless

BENDYBINN · 18-04-2023 07:41PM

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How many qualifies from each group?

breezy1985 · 18-04-2023 07:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120492949#Comment_120492949

Too many

legendary.xix · 18-04-2023 07:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120492960#Comment_120492960

Well if every county can win their home game. Round 3 will be interesting!

theoneeyedman · 18-04-2023 09:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120492949#Comment_120492949

3/4 gets out of the group.

Top into Q final, 2 and 3 into preliminary or 1/8 final.

manofwisdom · 18-04-2023 11:59PM

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Tyrone especially 2nd half on Sunday looked like the same poorly organised team that made an early exit from both Ulster and the All-Ireland championship last summer. If they get Kerry/Dublin in their group and the Ulster runner up they'll be facing another early exit.

Bass Reeves · 19-04-2023 08:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120493892#Comment_120493892

Three qualify from the group stage. The groups will have one provincial champion, a provincial runner up ( the Connaught/Munster lower D2/3 teams, Leinster D2 team) a D1 team third seeds and a middling team n seed 4.

I expect them to qualify for the preliminary QF and Tyrone can change pace at any stage

legendary.xix · 19-04-2023 09:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120494223#Comment_120494223

The GAA are banking on all counties needing a home win. Round 3 in neutral venues will be depending on something on the line to attract crowds.

Sligo, Westmeath and the two lowest qualifiers from Division 2 will be expected to be eliminated at the group stage. The preliminary quarter-finals is when the real championship will begin. The GAA are also banking on that.

castletownman · 19-04-2023 10:39AM

Do you know what I loved at the weekend? Amid all these modern systems and fly keepers and a fear of losing possession, Fermanagh went down the old 'throw the full-back into full-forward and see what happens' route beloved of many an underage manager back in my day. The carnage that ensued was refreshing.

BENDYBINN · 19-04-2023 01:46PM

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So, the group stages is just a glorified warm up for when the knockout stage begins. It seems only the poorest of the poor will be eliminated.

legendary.xix · 19-04-2023 02:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120495366#Comment_120495366

Do teams want to be playing away in a preliminary quarter-final? Will teams want to qualify directly for the quarter-finals as group winners? A year or two of the format will tell a lot. The GAA are not claiming that the current format is the finished article. The first step really for establishing two tournaments with 4 groups of 4 each.

dxhound2005 · 19-04-2023 02:42PM

It would want to be a bit of a disaster to change the minds of the counties who voted for it at Congress.

The motion was voted in by a staggering 94.7 percent while the National League and Provincial Championship remain.

The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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