What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

I don't think it's that simple, though. Bandy X. Lee has had 'issues' with TiFG since he was elected and kind of hasn't let up about them, and that article was written right after the insurrection. The second article, I'd expect TiFG voters 2 years after the 2020 election to be unhappier than Biden voters. If you assume the profile of the TiFG voter is older caucasian, they're two years older now. And, it's been 2 years of hype of how bad things are from their eco-system feeds. Plus Covid and inflation, people are feeling pretty rotten in the US.

@MisterAnarchy is not wrong. TiFG got a lot of votes in the last election and not everyone voting for him is a mouthbreathing cousin-forking MAGAt. Many vote the R party line because that's what they've done. Where TiFG's party is shooting itself in the foot is their right-wingitty virtue signaling positions on abortion, schools, guns. Even Biden should win in a walkover if TiFG's the nominee if the GQP doesn't reform its message. If a different GQP type gets the nod, that's a different story - and I still can see that, with TiFG promising support if the elected GQP candidate hands him out a few pardons.

Elsewhere, apparently Mike Pompeo's not running: https://www.foxnews.com/media/mike-pompeo-announces-decision-2024-presidential-election

And still lost the popular vote... AGAIN...And Biden got a record-breaking 81 million votes.

I believe there are rational GOP voters out there. Of course there are. However I don't believe there are any rational GQP/trump voters out there. And as trump and his cult lean harder and harder into the GQP angle (Election fraud claims, ACTUAL recorded attempts at election fraud, Jewish space lasers, gay frogs, women-hating policies, LGBTQ-hating policies, hate-group/white-supremacist embracing policies, JFK Jnr, Pizzagate, insurrection celebrating, Book burning in 2023!!!), as they embrace the insane, the bigots, the intentionally ill-informed, anybody who refuses to confront these people within their own party is condoning their action. If they are willing to embrace this lunatic "fringe" and abandon their own core values, just to win, then they deserve to be associated with them for good and bad.

I do not believe anyone who claims that Jan 6 was "tourists getting guided tours" or who claims that 2020 election was stolen despite all the evidence against it, or anyone who claims that trump's phone call to Georgia was a reasonable call is a rational voter. I don't believe that anyone wo accepts the fact that prosecutors in cases against trump have to be placed under protection because of his violent cult members or think it's acceptable for trump junior to post pics of judges family on Social Media is a rational voter. these are policies employed by violent gangsters.

My very first post on this thread (almost exactly a year before failed Jan 6 insurrection attempt by trump domestic terrorists) was that the GOP would throw tump under the bus and distance themselves from him as he became more and more deranged. Instead they embraced him and his cult tighter and tighter to the point that this is all anyone talks about when they talk about the GOP/GQP.

It has been said (with some accuracy) that trump and his cult are stealing oxygen from Biden. But it also true that trump and his cult have taken oxygen from the GOP too. You have DeSantis and others all trying to out trump trump. With anti-abortion policies that even the GOP think is going to cost them votes (Notice, they never say it was a mistake, just that it will cost them). You have DeSantis spending inordinate amount of time fighting Disneyland (What a sentence to type!). You have MTG and Broebert or whatever her name is, ranting and raving like unhinged lunatics, complaining about being assaulted by chants and comparing trump to Jesus and Mandela.

So no, I don't think you have rational trump voters. I think you have rational GOP voters but, as trump and MTG have said, the GOP is gone... Here comes the GQP. And EVERYTHING that comes with it.

At this point the "rational" supporters of Trump are few and far between. The MAGA cult is made mostly made up of idiots. Idiots which their golden idol will happily fleece. It doesn't matter to them that voted for a lying con man that's done fuck all for them because they're not intelligent enough to cop on to the fact that they're being played. So long as Trump tells them what they want to hear, that's enough for them. That's about the extent of their political nous.

Incorrect.

I will give you a few examples

High earners - The top 20% of the income bracket benefitted from a 3% gain in income under the Trump administration. Trump received 2% more votes than Clinton among higher earners.

Are these high earners not well educated ? Are they not intelligent ?

Corporate Shareholders - Corporations in the US are now taxed at 21%, down from 35%.

Entrepreneurs - Trump is pro-entrepreneurship and small business.

Poorly paid workers - Nominal wages in 2018 and 2019 rose at the fastest rate since before the recession. Americans at the lower end of the labour scale saw a 10% rise just before the pandemic hit.

So all these people had a rational reason for voting for Trump and it worked out well for them.

I do not think Trump is a topic that can be discussed rationally with alot of people.

Most of those people you’re talking about already deleted their accounts. First a huge wave when he lost then another wave of closed accounts for the insurrection.

Actual “in the middle” voters who voted Trump in 2016 and even in 2020, they’re not the ones continually going online defending Trump while downplaying that support. They’re just done.

What are your statistics for 2020? In the voting blocs you mention, did TiFG's share increase or decrease? I think overall there was a bigger turnout than in 2016 due to 1) animosity to TiFG 2) Democrats getting the vote out. I'd postulate that in the groups you mention, TiFG's share dropped across the board.

As for TiFG being pro-anything, 4 years of him in power show him to be pro-only-one-thing: Trump.

The Indicted Former Guy (new version of TFG)

We don't have a US politics thread (do we?) but this is probably better on the Biden thread since any actions against Thomas would take place while Biden is POTUS. TiFG had nothing to do with Thomas' appointment, that was GHWB.

FWIW, Anita Hill warned us.

I don't think so.

He's aligned with trump and the republican party.

Plus the Smartmatic case (2.5bn) is next up. The Judge in the case has already sanctioned Fox's lawyers and may be appointing a special master to see what other shenanigans they've gotten up to during the discovery phase, like lying about the fact Rupe was an officer at Fox News.

You're great at the ol' non-denial denial. "Doesn't necessarily" doesn't mean "Does not". Anyhow, there's no point you denying it anyway, your grá for Trump shines through your posting history.

Bill is simply missing the point.

Trump isn't being charged with anything to do with sex, or sex acts.

Nobody is saying what Trump did brought the office into disrepute.

It's the cover up that he is being charged with. Bill often comes across as too clever for his own good. Trying to play the card that he is above all the nonsense when he is enabling it.

But I do like the fact that you used him as a source. Now listen to his other shows, or even other parts of that show, to hear what he said against Trump.

mistakes serial for cereal then claims grand jury is Low IQ, he really is a prize cockwomble