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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,465 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Drop the Covid comments



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭thegame983


    There really does seem to be a conveyor belt of clowns working in the media these days.

    Agenda driven smear merchants without a single interesting thing to say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,287 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Just like Muskys version of Twitter.

    Musk knows how to appeal to his fans. About the only thing he can do right is to hook them. The cult of personality guarantee's the devotion.


    Just feel sorry for the poor folks who gobble up all the crap from every grifter taking advantage of them yet somehow think they are the smart ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Will youtube be held to the same standards I wonder or is it just Twitter because Musk is now in charge?


    The absolute vileness on youtubes comments section is worse than what you would see on Twitter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Not todays journalists. They are activists now in the guise of journalists who are so blinded by there own conditioning from an early age that they cannot see how biased they are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,791 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Youtube absolutely should be held to the same standards. Has anyone suggested they shouldn't?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,036 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Of course youtube should be held to the same standard however Twitter and the youtube comments section are not anywhere close to being the same thing, an example of this is there arent daily and even hourly articles all over the internet about what various famous people, politicians or random nobodies have said or posted in the youtube comments section are there?

    The focus is specifically on twitter not because Musk is in charge but because of what he has said and done while being in charge.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    'tis Whatabout.

    YouTube's problem ATM is how it's punishing low-medium creators who increasingly find it hard to monetise their work - to the extent many prominent "education" creators have pivoted towards other services like Nebula. Over-zealous automatic moderation is de-monetising videos for sometimes arbitrary reasons, while the pipeline for challenging these strikes isn't great, a bit of a black box & takes time (which is not something those trying to make a living can have).

    For example: recently YT changed the monetisation strategy to reduce income on videos with "excessive" swearing, which is ... interesting. I vaguely recall a history video-maker commenting that even mentioning "Hitler" got you demonetised (so in this case he called him "Mr. Moustache"!), though he has mentioned the name since so perhaps that was solved. Some channels have had their income fúcked by nuisance "copyright strikes" caused by trolls... that gets the video demonetised 'til reviewed - which can take long enough to put financial pressure on the Creator.

    But yes, nobody's talking about YouTube here ... cos it's not a thread about YouTube. Going by the poster's other comments I suspect their annoyance with YouTube is more about "lefties" being offensively "woke", but YouTube does have problems - they're not the same as that of Twitter. Certainly the loudest complaints aren't with respect to engagement or antagonism of its comments (though that can be a problem)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,213 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    YouTube comments are in control of the channel owner. It's easy enough to delete individual comments, or block individual accounts, or filter for specific keywords or require all comments to be approved before publishing, loads of options there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,036 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    From watching many big and small youtube creators the comment moderation tools they are given are by all accounts are absolutely terrible and its nowhere near as simple or easy to moderate video comment sections as youtube would like people to believe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,213 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I’ve done it, not with a huge audience, but the tools are there. You can block comments, filter by keyword, require manual approval of all comments, block individuals.



  • Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    YT creators can also assign other users comment moderator powers. So they do not have to waste all their own time playing whack a mole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Have we gotten a sensible explanation for Musk’s offer price of $54.20 and why Twitter is the bastion of free speech when we already have anything goes cess pits like 4chan/8kun.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The 54.20 price was a joke value based on "420" being a reference to the fact that 4/20 is supposed to be "National Cannabis Day".

    Musk does it all the time - he uses combinations of "69" and "420" all the time because he is just so hilarious Dude!!!

    He changed the price of the Tesla Model S to $69,420 for example.

    He also likes to tell people that his birthday is "69 days after 4/20".

    So basically, that price was chosen because Elon Musk has the sense of humour of a deeply unfunny 14 year old boy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    I'm hoping for his sake that I have my numbers wrong but does the 20c difference between $54 and $54.20 equate to about $160m on a $44 billion deal? Expensive joke to make considering it probably went without saying that Twitter would have accepted $54 (or substantially less).



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The Stock was priced at around $45 when he initially made the offer and given the state of their finances they likely would have accepted a lot less than even a round $54.

    He probably could have opened with an offer around $50 and moved from there , but because he wasn't actually genuinely serious when he made the offer he went for the "meme-worthy" value of $54.20 so his fan-boys could have a bit of a giggle.

    Then he got stuck with that price in the courts.

    So he probably cost himself several billion dollars right out of the gate by trying to be a meme-lord.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,316 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Oh yeah, I'd just love to have him explain it when he's not stoned. You could just imagine him when he made the offer, sitting on his phone looking up the latest conspiracy theory and thinking to himself "this will show them". Then waking up the next day and coming up with his free speech idea.

    Other geniuses that like those numbers.

    https://cointelegraph.com/news/ftx-crypto-exchange-raises-420m-from-69-investors



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,287 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You forgot that he DESTROYED the libs so that makes it worthwhile.

    To his devotee's anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    I don't think he had any intention of "destroying the libs"... he wants genuine free speech, where everyone gets to express their views. And I think he fully realises that this comes with the dangers associated with a few loopy people getting through the cracks. But it's worth the risk.

    I think he has genuinely altruistic motives. But I'm not surprised that certain people try to paint the opposite picture of him. He is the enemy of those who wish to shut down alternative viewpoints, and like to portray themselves as protectors of all that is holy and pure in the world.

    The biggest threat to "the libs" is actually from within their own ranks. People like Musk are nominally on the left, but are frustrated with the way liberals are trying to suffocate and silence anyone who even dares to question their world view. When you behave this way, you're going to alienate people who really should be some of your strongest allies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Nope given he is so quick to have accounts critical of him and anything he has decided to be flavour of the day given a ban.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,316 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Your claims for Musk dont connect with reality in any way shape or form... demonstrates complete ignorance of Musks antics with banning journalists and accounts and silently down ranking accounts linked to positions Musk disagres with. The evidence is all over this thread.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    If that held any water, then Musk wouldn't have been accused of banning accounts critical of him, or indeed including his own tweets in the algorithms that promote tweets. He isn't an altruist even on a basic level given the price point he had Tesla's sold at.

    Were he genuinely interested in Free Speech, he'd make Twitter a black box. He didn't, and it isn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    I don't think it's false at all.

    He likes to stir the pot as much as possible. Give some power back to people who have been marginalised on social media. In some ways he's a bit of a troll and has fun seeing what happens. But I do think fundamentally he believes in free speech and having a wider range of views represented.

    Which is obviously something many liberals absolutely loath. You could consider it a type if social media affirmative action... liberals love a bit of positive discrimination, right? (wait... not if it's directed at them😂)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    It's funny that you think it's liberals loathe free speech, when it's conservatives that want to ban drag shows and a conservative state just voted to ban tik tok.

    IF he didn't ban anyone that was critical of him, you'd have a point. But he did, so you don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,316 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is a fantasy entirely disproven by Musks actual actions. Your belief in Musk and free speech is not supported by any actual evidence and directly contradicted by them.

    What you have described is not free speech and it is absurd to suggest otherwise. He is playing favourites and stirring the pot the way he wants it stirred. Absolutely zero evidence of any real commitment to free speech and you know you cant reconcile his actions with free speech which is why you already are changing the goalposts.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    What ideology is most pursuing bans or curtailments on activities or choices? It's easy to crow about Straw Liberals being against free-speech, but only one side of the ideological pendulum (in America) is actively trying to censor or ban. It ain't Big Woke, or the paper tigers of Twitter.

    And again, if Musk believed in Free Speech, he wouldn't make himself the noisy exemption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭Cordell


    While he may not like to have free speech inconvenience him personally, he still beliefs that it's the best thing for Twitter as a whole. He is just a man, Twitter is much bigger than him and it got better since he bought it. I realize you don't like much of the content that is now on, but that's exactly what makes it better.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The moment Free Speech advocates put limitations on ... Free Speech, their ideology becomes redundant at worst, hypocritical at best.

    Either codify the limitations, as any normal government does with legislation, something conveniently ignored throughout this debate ... or have 8chan and a total free for all and a shíthole. Of course the latter won't happen because business is business. But pretending Twitter is now some glorious Improved Recipe, because of a perceived notion it's annoying libs, is naive and missing the point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Missing the point is obsessing about Musk. Annoying the libs is just a bonus.



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