General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

Drumpot · 10-04-2023 11:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120461150#Comment_120461150

The problem here wasn’t the linesman. If Players/managers actually respected refs then this incident or your hypothetical one just wouldn’t happen because the player wouldn’t be up in his ear in the first place.

How many refs have had to retire because of hyperbolic responses or death threats to decisions or events in games? And how has the sport protected them? The most surprising thing for me is that Incidents like this are not more frequent.

CSF · 10-04-2023 11:25AM

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The linesman lashed out here, he’s definitely the problem. Anything beyond that is just logic gymnastics.

TitianGerm · 10-04-2023 11:25AM

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Managers and players are also getting more and more frustrated with inconsistencies in decisions by the officials and the lack of accountability. If the decision making is more consistent then you earn respect.

I'm fully onboard with 9nly the capitan speaking refs though as that will allow some protection.

Years ago you'd have Keane, Viera, Gerrard absolutely screaming in ref's faces so very little has actually changed in the last few years.

breezy1985 · 10-04-2023 11:38AM

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It's not about fans or players being soft.

It's about supposedly adult soccer fans being completely unable to engage in the sport from a neutral point of view.

The shte here about Bruno was unbelievable especially from Liverpool fans who are now going to see this latest incident of brushing off an official in a completely different light.

There is just zero objectivity when some teams are involved.

Drumpot · 10-04-2023 11:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120461229#Comment_120461229

Refs at the top level get probably over 90% of things correct, the focus goes onto the 10% like the sport is having a crisis. They need to scale back use of VAR.

The issue as I see it is that everything now is gone through like a fine tooth comb and this pitchfork “get the refs” mob stuff is acceptable in the game. If everybody had to keep their mouth shut during a game , the sport would be better all round. Sort out the inconsistency’s and subjective elements after a game.

Years ago you could actually tackle a player , so I’m not sure mentioning Keane and Viera is relevant. Now the sports closer to basketball with defenders needing to be better with their feet and keepers able to sweep better then shot stopper!

Drumpot · 10-04-2023 11:49AM

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Fans will always be hypocrites, we all are at some stage.

I think last nights issue was once again an example of how little respect the sport has for officials.

I think it would be great if:

Card for anybody shouting a ref
card for anybody questioning or chasing ref
card for every person surrounding ref
card for anybody running towards ref in any manner

All issues dealt with at HT or FT by managers , not players.

VAR was generally just used for offsides or goal events.

All contentious decisions a ref misses on field are dealt with after game. The level of damage and severity of the incident will determine the punishment (not automatic 3 game regardless). Managers and players can plead their case and they must answer inconsistencies.

VAR in its current form has been a joke and probably caused more drama then it’s solved. As we have seen, players getting done by same VAR official who lets similar incidents go is just not on.

bucketybuck · 10-04-2023 12:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120460396#Comment_120460396

It is normal now, and that is the real shame, that it is normal for scumbags to aggressively get right into officials faces and they are expected to just stand there and take it.

How about these self important louts stop roaring in referees faces, has anybody considered that to be an option?

doc_17 · 10-04-2023 12:38PM

The ref was quite soft on Arsenal yesterday. Arsenal used tricks even a blind man would have seen in order to waste time and they got away with it. Arteta has a been a little d* all season with his antics on the sideline and calling his mini timeout yesterday was just accepted by the officials. If they’d have kept playing when they were on top they’d have buried the game by HT

davemckenna25 · 10-04-2023 12:38PM

Robertson aggressively confronts the linesman, had probably already spent a good portion of the 1st half giving him grief. Goes to grab the linesman's arm and the official shrugs him off. If contact with face was made it was minimal and unintentional.

Robertson reacts like a baby and goes whinging to the ref about his sore jaw!!

The official was right to shrug off the physical advances of the player.

What a drama about nothing blaming the official for responding to the aggressive advances of a player.

If anyone is to blame it's definitely the player.

Jinglejangle69 · 10-04-2023 01:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120461407#Comment_120461407

I think the ref was quite soft on Liverpool yesterday.

astrofool · 10-04-2023 01:17PM

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If the linesman's account is that Robertson put his hands on him, it'll be Robertson facing the ban. It looks like Robertson was trying some sh!thousery with the linesman for whatever reason.

In saying that, football need's to get serious with players and referees and move to something akin to what rugby uses.

Pauliedragon · 10-04-2023 01:58PM

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You're dead right but the rule is already there and for some reason refs are very slow to show cards for dissent. I think the refs should get together and say right lads as of this weekend we're handing out cards to mouthy players. Let the clubs know in advance and within 30 mins of most matches ud have about 10 yellows and players will have to start calming or their managers will get pissed off. I don't like seeing card fests but it might be needed. The refs have the power. Or let the ref knee them in the balls like the Mexican ref.

Mushy · 10-04-2023 02:09PM

Anthony Gordon is some serious level of a tool. Already demoted to the 21s for remainder of season after not being happy at being subbed Saturday.

Edit: appears I was badly caught out...he's still a tool though

ctrl-alt-delete · 10-04-2023 02:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120461668#Comment_120461668

Players are never happy being subbed off when subbed on, but his reaction was ridiculous.

Even more ridiculous is that I have read some comments saying they would have more of a problem if he was happy being subbed off, trying to justify his outburst.

breezy1985 · 10-04-2023 02:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120461624#Comment_120461624

There is also an attitude in the Premier League that card fests are the refs fault. Not the fault of two scumbaggy teams.

As someone who watches Italian football a lot I notice far less off this "ref ruined the game with a red" mentality over there.

Mushy · 10-04-2023 02:45PM

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There's being unhappy and being a petulant child. Maybe he wouldn't be getting taken off if he did something on the pitch

doc_17 · 10-04-2023 03:06PM

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In what way?

SlickRic · 10-04-2023 03:08PM

Only here can there be sympathy for the linesman from certain quarters.

If the roles are reversed, the world would be begging Robertson to be banned for the rest of the season, and any other take is mental gymnastics of epic proportions.

If Robertson was being a complete d**k, the assistant still had a multitude of other options...

Ignore.

Argue back.

Speak urgently to the officials in his headset.

In fact, anything but raise a warning elbow.

Yes, it was minimal enough, but any defence of it is gas.

TitianGerm · 10-04-2023 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120461846#Comment_120461846

If Robertson/Any Player had said something bad enough to justify being elbowed then he/they would have been sent off as soon as the linesman made the ref aware of it.

bucketybuck · 10-04-2023 03:25PM

If he was being a dick?

There is no "if" about it.

Robertson, Mitrovic and the entire lot of them need to get their thick heads around the fact that they can't act like scumbags on the street in Marbella. The sooner refs start handing out red cards to these jackasses the better.

CSF · 10-04-2023 03:27PM

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It’s the maddest thing, honestly. I think Robertson is super annoying and probably said something to provoke the lino 100%, but when has that ever been an excuse to lash out in football?

The logic gymnastics you see with anything relating to Man United or Liverpool on here is truly crazy.

citytillidie · 10-04-2023 03:38PM

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It is Liverpool so the defence of the lineman is not just here but everywhere. All I can say to those defending the linesman would you accept getting hit in the face after you have gone to talk to someone they ignore you and you reach out to get their attention but they in turn elbow you in the face.

SlickRic · 10-04-2023 03:44PM

It's blatantly a rhetorical 'if'. It's pretty implied in my post that he was being a d**k. Like hundreds of players every week. But my point is players have been booked and sent off for their words before - not enough, but they have. But I'm to believe Robertson was so offensive that he wasn't sent off, but he was also so offensive that he deserved a warning elbow.

Players need to cop on, but so do officials to an extent. There is little respect there from either side.

SlickRic · 10-04-2023 03:48PM

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It's infuriating.

For example, so few Liverpool fans seem to admit that the Bruno push on the lino was nothing like Mitrovic, while huge amounts of Utd fans are all now jumping to this linesman's defence instead of just calling out the elbow.

It's a weird mental block for so many.

Sudden Valley · 10-04-2023 03:50PM

Half time is not an opportunity for a player to follow a linesman up the pitch giving them stick. Robertson instigated the situation and then escalated it, he should have got a red card. The linesmen should get no more than mitrovics ban of 8 game and should be kept away from Liverpool games.