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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,456 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Sure, the very first thing he had his people do as “President” was to have them lie about crowd sizes. This was mere hours after he took the oath of office and he lied about an objective fact, which set the tone for MAGA. It didn’t even need to look true…if their God King went and told them the sky was green, the MAGA faithful would find ways to explain that blue was just a shade of green. Anyone saying it was blue were just Maoist commie Dems. I feel that is the only metric they ever needed, or need currently. This is why the only solution is to outvote them until they expire of old age or by Darwin Award.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    All those Gina Carano buffs didn’t rock the vote the last 3 cycles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,350 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I'm a bit lost on this. What point are you making with this post?

    Nobody has ever claimed that Trump doesn't have supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭dontmindme


    Think you might be missing the actual charge Trump is facing.

    Hint: It's not for making a payment to Stormy Daniels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    Yup. As is often the case the penalties for covering up the embarrassing thing are much worse than the penalties (if there even are any) for the thing itself. All of the actual felony charges are for falsifying business documents. Which is to say that at least in New York he isn't in trouble for paying the porn star to keep quiet about the affair. He is in trouble for trying to cover the payment up.

    And he didn't pay her to sleep with him. He paid her to not go public about the affair.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    If its often the case can you throw out some examples from the past?

    About the Ufc it was good pr being cheered on at one of the biggest cards of the year that ended in a KO for the ages. Plus he got endorsed as the goat potus by masvidal during his retirement speech. Good PR for Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Never heard of them who is Masdival?

    UFC fans may be overthinking how big their community is.

    Re:

    If its often the case can you throw out some examples from the past?

    here you go




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,386 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    What point are you making ???

    Its the Trump thread, I posted something that Trump did last night.

    Its actual news and factual unlike most of the drivel, innuendo and idle speculation posted here on a daily basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I’ve been to a few UFC events, you wouldn’t be putting much faith in a crowd like that for anything, let alone the political landscape of a country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    Thats not really the point. The point is Trump was cheered at a very popular event that's #1 on trending so the reaction he got can't be anything other than good PR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I think you are really over-inflating this quite a lot. It was in Miami, a state with a republican governor, and the state he lives in. It’s not like he was cheered by thousands at an event in a blue state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    The card was watched all over the country and is #1 on trending since it ended. It can't be anything other than good PR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Who cares if it was watched all over the country, he was cheered by people in Florida, and what exactly makes it good PR? Drunk people cheering in the state he lives in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    We all know Trump has a large personal fan base, no doubt more than other politician. All that is good for is splitting the GOP vote. The worry around that may force the GOP's hand and thus they all row in behind him. OK. He gets the nomination but does anyone think he can get back the presidency?

    My money is on him getting the nomination but failing in a bid for the White House.

    A fair assumption, or way off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Fair assumption absolutely. I think the only variable with this is the amount of cases and court appearances over the next while might skew that a bit, and it might push some of his support towards DeSantis overtime.

    So much can happen still.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,258 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Would De Santis be that much of an improvement? Trump is an out and out eejit, and a dangerous one, but De Santis appears to have - if not intelligence - cunning, deviousness and enough cop on to actually do deliberate damage as against muddling through leaving a trail of destruction in his wake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,469 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I've said this for some time.

    Trump is Biden's best chance at re-election.

    Biden is vanilla, and he's old too.

    It's not good that the Dems don't have someone more established to take over imho, but trump needs beating a second time and he's the man to do it.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    All I noticed about Trump was at the end of the Burns fight, when masvidal called him out, and no cutaway to Trump for broadcast. But then again a loser who just retired recognising a loser you really should



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,740 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I don't think anyone ever said trump doesn't have support. Of course he does. You think it was Biden supporters who attempted insurrection? Who threatened vote counters, who threatened votersYou think it was Obama supporters who threatened Pelosi and her family, who brought a hangman's noose and called out for the VP to be hanged as a traitor, who threaten the family of judges presiding over a case against trump? All classy trump cult members.

    trump has support in florida? of course he does. And in Tenessee and oklahoma and other enlightened and and progressive and tolerant states. They are VERY fond of cults and other groups in those places.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Ah, Jen Psaki continuing to pinpoint all of the hypocrisy of the Trump-led GOP.

    And before anyone starts, yes I know who she is, and you should be more concerned about what she is saying considering all of it is coming from the mouths of the GOP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "#1 on trending" what does that even mean?

    Anyway didn't see any of these UFC fans in New York last Tuesday. A crowd will clap at most things if you do the work for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Also worth pointing out the UFC events generally trend on Twitter anyway. This even didn’t trend because Trump was there.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,570 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Trump continues to play the 2016 anti-establishment role in anticipation of 2024. While at the same time the victim of persecution.

    Both are contradictions. His wealthy upbringing from birth to today’s Mar A Lago mansion/club residence, with a host of servants wiping his infant butt to his mouth (or whatever) for 76 years, has been the epitome of the ultra rich establishment in America.

    Trump’s victimization play has been a 1984 alternative world erroneous political spin on self-fulfilling past and present (alleged) criminological behavior. Whereas, the real world common citizen would be tried as expected for such behavior in the state and federal judicial systems without the fantastical Trump victimization political spin.

    Simply substitute Trump’s name with Al Capone, and the mist of Trump’s so called victimization blows away in the NY cases of (alleged) business records falsification, income taxes evasion, etc.

    Cmod Science, Health, and Environment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,524 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    I would have thought that the crowd at a UFC event would be not unlike that at the Straight Dave event in Bruno.

    Or to give another example, I imagine if Trump was presented at a match of the US women's football team, he'd be roundly booed and I don't think it could be held up in good faith as an example of how unpopular Trump is.

    Either way, neither crowd is going to be a truly balanced reflection of the American voting population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,701 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Margy Taylor Greene and George Santos get cheered at events they attend.

    Even the dumbest politicians generally know where to find their target audiences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,492 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The Santos heckling at the Trump arraignment was the highlight for me. "Tell us about your Nobel prize George!" Lots ofpeople just pointing and laughing at him.

    Daily Show lad Klepper got the mic briefly in front of Santos, you can find it online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,740 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    De Santis is resembling a fascist.

    No way will independents vote for him.

    Generation Z will be a threat to any republican running. They seem invigorated.

    And millennials aren’t flipping red either.

    Saying that, Biden is too old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,456 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Indeed. I feel thar damn near any Dem candidate could have beaten Trump last time. 2020 was very much a referendum against Trump rather than in favour of Biden. Biden wasn’t Trump, and I feel that was the main thing.

    They could however really do with a new energetic candidate. I doubt anyone would blame Biden retiring at this stage in favour of another candidate. I was hopeful that Harris might have been that, but I at the moment I can’t see that working. Biden could still beat Trump in a rematch I feel, but a more “exciting” candidate would make it a sure thing.

    The while GenZ and Millennial angle is key too. I feel that overturning Roe v Wade damaged the GOP’s chances in the midterms and their attempts to make abortion drugs illegal / inaccessible is going to do the same damage in the eyes of a whole generation of people who suddenly see their reproductive rights stifled by the red candidates. This will hurt Trump’s chances in 2024 especially if they keep this up. If they had any intelligence the GOP should have just threatened to do these things indefinitely without actually doing it, but now they’ve handed the Dems a mandate to reverse what they’ve been up to.

    What is more baffling is that it’s clear that many GOP people don’t really feel all that opposed to abortion options, since a good few have been reported either paying for them, or in some cases getting them themselves. I know it’s an play designed to get hard-core Evangelical voters on-side, and then again within those communities you’ll get plenty of messing about under the veneer of their beliefs. Thus, the GOP continues to damage their chances with several generations of voters, all for banning a reproductive right that they or much of their target audience don’t really mind people having. It’s about as mindless as them still allowing Trump to railroad their party.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,492 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    "I know it’s an play designed to get hard-core Evangelical voters on-side, and then again within those communities you’ll get plenty of messing about under the veneer of their beliefs"

    Don't underestimate the RCC foot soldiers in this, anti-women policies work really well with them. Same policies are playing really well in a growing demographic for the GQP, Hispanic voters who allow themselves to be dictated to by the RCC. I think it's RCC that actually makes a difference for GQP politicians at the polls.



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