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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    You would have to feel really sorry for the bicycle saddle having that lard ar*e sitting on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I hoped there would be a few more scintillating details thrown in but I guess it's pretty dry when the business record is the smoking gun.

    Ah, manhattan DA contextualizes the charges: they weren't for the hush money for 1 scandal, but 3. He also includes the Statement of Facts, which is the interesting details I wanted.

    Read the Indictment and the Statement of Facts

    Manhattan District Attorney Alvin L. Bragg, Jr. today announced the indictment of DONALD J. TRUMP, 76, for falsifying New York business records in order to conceal damaging information and unlawful activity from American voters before and after the 2016 election. During the election, TRUMP and others employed a “catch and kill” scheme to identify, purchase, and bury negative information about him and boost his electoral prospects. TRUMP then went to great lengths to hide this conduct, causing dozens of false entries in business records to conceal criminal activity, including attempts to violate state and federal election laws. 

    TRUMP is charged in a New York State Supreme Court indictment with 34 counts of Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree.[]   

    “The People of the State of New York allege that Donald J. Trump repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal crimes that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election,” said District Attorney Bragg. “Manhattan is home to the country’s most significant business market. We cannot allow New York businesses to manipulate their records to cover up criminal conduct. As the Statement of Facts describes, the trail of money and lies exposes a pattern that, the People allege, violates one of New York’s basic and fundamental business laws. As this office has done time and time again, we today uphold our solemn responsibility to ensure that everyone stands equal before the law.” 

    According to court documents and statements made on the record in court, from August 2015 to December 2017, TRUMP orchestrated his “catch and kill” scheme through a series of payments that he then concealed through months of false business entries. 

    In one instance, American Media Inc. (“AMI”), paid $30,000 to a former Trump Tower doorman, who claimed to have a story about a child TRUMP had out of wedlock.  

    In a second instance, AMI paid $150,000 to a woman who alleged she had a sexual relationship with TRUMP. When TRUMP explicitly directed a lawyer who then worked for the Trump Organization as TRUMP’s Special Counsel (“Special Counsel”) to reimburse AMI in cash, the Special Counsel indicated to TRUMP that the payment should be made via a shell company and not by cash. AMI ultimately declined to accept reimbursement after consulting their counsel. AMI, which later admitted its conduct was unlawful in an agreement with federal prosecutors, made false entries in its business records concerning the true purpose of the $150,000 payment. 

    In a third instance – 12 days before the presidential general election – the Special Counsel wired $130,000 to an attorney for an adult film actress. The Special Counsel, who has since pleaded guilty and served time in prison for making the illegal campaign contribution, made the payment through a shell corporation funded through a bank in Manhattan.

    After winning the election, TRUMP reimbursed the Special Counsel through a series of monthly checks, first from the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust – created in New York to hold the Trump Organization’s assets during TRUMP’s presidency – and later from TRUMP’s bank account. In total, 11 checks were issued for a phony purpose. Nine of those checks were signed by TRUMP. Each check was processed by the Trump Organization and illegally disguised as a payment for legal services rendered pursuant to a non-existent retainer agreement. In total, 34 false entries were made in New York business records to conceal the initial covert $130,000 payment. Further, participants in the scheme took steps that mischaracterized, for tax purposes, the true nature of the reimbursements.

     

    Assistant D.A.s Catherine McCaw (Counsel to the Investigation Division), Katherine Ellis (Major Economic Crimes Bureau), Rebecca Mangold (Major Economic Crimes Bureau), Christopher Conroy (Senior Advisor to the Investigation Division), Susan Hoffinger (Chief of the Investigation Division), and Matthew Colangelo (Senior Counsel to the District Attorney) are handling the prosecution of this case with the assistance of Peter Pope (Executive Assistant D.A.), Steven Wu (Executive Assistant D.A. and Chief of the Appeals Division), and Alan Gadlin (Deputy Chief of the Appeals Division).

    Defendant Information:

    DONALD J. TRUMP

    Palm Beach, FL

    Charges:

    • Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree, a class E felony, 34 counts

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    [1] The charges contained in the indictment are merely allegations, and the defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. All factual recitations are derived from documents filed in court and statements made on the record in court.



  • Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This sh1t just got real.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,615 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    It's a slam dunk case. Certainly we know the evidence of cases 2 and 3. Trump will do a plea by the end of the year to get it out of his way/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    aww

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    Just in case there was any question as to whether the payouts had anything to do with the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,615 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Murdoch called off his engagement today. These two former buddies are having a bad day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump stinginess.

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    And it sounds like Bragg has the cooperation of the other conspirators, Weisselberg and Cohen, who both served time and got bargain sentences, and AMI (The National Enquirer) who also skated for cooperation with investigators.

    He's right fucked in this case if his motion to dismiss fails.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,201 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Its not, its a bullshit case with bullshit charges.

    Will take years to go to court even if Trump loses initially the Supreme court will throw it out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The memberberries are really kicking in right now

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    Satisfying to see all that mafia **** chronologged in a statement of facts in a criminal indictment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Go on explain how it's bullshit, now that you have the Indictment and the SOF?

    Why would the Supreme Court "throw it out?" on what Constitutional clause?

    Provide the merits of your response please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "bullshit" as if 😀

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    He looks real small here in a number of ways.

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  • Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He looks real small here in a number of ways.

    At Cornell University they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the tunneling electron microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom, the infinitesimally minute building blocks of our universe. If I were using that microscope right now, I still would not be able to loacte his teeny weenie little hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    that's a real old quote we're on to way smaller subatomics than that 🙃

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,210 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    So its not just the Stormy payoff? That blows all that nonsense that MisterAnarchy has been spouting as clearly they had no idea of that. And no idea of the veracity of the evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Apropos to this pathetic meme did Hitler Mao or Stalin allow their opposition to drive and fly home after the arraignment?

    He wasn't so much as in a handcuff, or restricted from his freedom of movement. He freely appeared in court of his own free will and left of his own free will, heading straight to LaGuardia to head back to Mar a Lago to have his big Poor Me rally. He spent no recorded time in custody that I'm aware of.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "It's not the stuff of a political slogan, ‘Vote for me – I collected $121,000 from a porn star that I had an encounter with.’ Oh, good.”

    Guest Bill Barr and they were mocking Eric Trump trying to distract from the case by tweeting that his dad was awarded $122k in damages from Stormy Daniels for violating the NDA over a sex cheating scandal...

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    Dead ass think he thought he was pulling a B Rabbit

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    U OK hun?

    These are far from bullshit charges. And he'll likely have much more serious charges to defend against in the other investigations he's under. The clock is ticking.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Your predictions, and bets, have been shown as substantial as trump's codpiece (according to Ms Daniels), bless



  • Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The stormy payoff isn't itself illegal, its saying the payment to her, was actually a payment to his lawer. Which it wasn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,201 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Which also led to a bunch of crime-fraud exception with his lawyers (Lawyer A (Michael Cohen), Lawyer C (Bob Costello), Lawyer D (Rudy Giuliani). Costello testified to Grand Jury just a couple weeks ago,




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,510 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Trump indicted on 34 felony criminal charges. Taken together, if convicted on all the charges, potentially over 100 years of prison time under New York laws.

    Although with no prior felony convictions, Trump would be sentenced to far less; probably to 4 years unsupervised probation.

    All the prosecution needs to criminalize Trump, is for the jury of 12 citizens to convict him unanimously on one count of the 34. Makes me wonder if Trump loses any sleep tonight?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,130 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Not at all.

    He plans to run a campaign as a 'renegade' 'outlaw' etc. against 'an unjust system' etc. and the thrust of his goals will be: a federal pardon for Donald J. Trump. Whether he pie in the sky wins the election again and tests the constitutional theory in the supreme court or he compels a vice president on his ticket or the republican on the winning republican primary ticket (not him) to pardon him.

    And the Republicans have put themselves in a bind whoring out their lack of principle or ideology to so many bases: if they don't at least wink and nudge that they will pardon Trump, a lot of the "silent majority TM" won't show up. And if they wink and nudge that they will pardon Trump, voter turnout will once again be huge, because of the nonzero chance they actually issue a pardon (especially one if it precedes a jury conviction), and Republicans would have another "Red Wave November" autopsy on their hands.

    Watching them quadruple down on Trump is like watching Sony re-release Morbius in theaters. ITS TRUMPIN TIME



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,729 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    In reality, they'll whittle the 34 number down, spend a few months trying to make the most damning evidence inadmissible on technicalities. Still, it's a jury of 12 people to be convinced of guilt or innocence, no amount of loudmouthing and banging fists will get away from that.

    The trial will be a hoot, especially when everything is on the record and perjury is in play. Wonder if Stormy will testify.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Can you give me the gist, having ostensibly reviewed this podcast before you shared it thus having knowledge of the thrust of his legal argument? 😶

    If it's as basic as the headlines suggest I think your argument is bullshit and so is his: not just Cohen but multiple other sources of direct testimony and bank records and even audio recordings of illicit conversations (ie. smoking guns) are also this case. Trying to impugn the character of Cohen or the People of New York is quite the hail mary.

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    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/04/02/dershowitz_braggs_case_is_the_weakest_of_four_cases_against_trump.html



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  • Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Makes me wonder if he'll be found climbing over the wall he tried to build, in an effort to get to a non-extradition country.



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