Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Just my 2 cents worth to this debate, as the thread is supposed to be out trans people in sport but appears to have gone way off topic.

Given that the majority of sporting bodies are now not allowing trans women to compete in female sport, are there any posters that disagree with this approach from those sporting bodies?

Do you have a timestamp or description of the individual in this fracas you are referring to?

No worry if it is "clear" it will thusly be easy to bring charges - are there any?

Good post.

I can see the difference between pre teen and the impact of puberty on sports competition, but given that people go through puberty at different ages, I wonder how we would regulate those competitions.

Would it be based on age profile, for instance?

Something like...all children aged 12 or below can compete in a single category that is not segregated by sex or gender, but 13 year olds are divided into female and male and a transgender child must compete within their biological sex category.

I guess that problem with that approach is it still creates a dividing line for transgender kids, but only after they hit puberty. (not to mention that some kids have gone through puberty at aged 10 or 11)

Would the Transgender child then feel more inclusive up until 13 years of age, only to be let down at age 13 when they move to their biological sex category, rather than the category they identify with.

Its a tough one to get right from all perspectives.

With Title IX stuff it’s usually about adjudicating on a case by case basis because like you said if you set an age nobody goes through puberty at the same time (the affected people also don’t go through their transition uniformly).

I snipped it from my screenshot but the Biden admin started down making this rule in 2021 and had north of 30k public comments on it and from what I’ve seen this is an accurate depiction of the pluralities feelings about the issue, that there are cases to resolve but an across the board ban across all ages and situations is imho unthinking unfeeling and uncaring.

Allow me to correct that:

my apologies for not posting an image of that down the bottom to the new rule proposal fact sheet.

To be even clearer though this rule is about sports inclusivity/exclusivity, not about gender affirming care.

I'm going to be real honest and say that Twitter and TikTok are not anything to go by.

TikTok even as Republicans tell it is a Chinese Communist Party run/compromised outfit that needed to be banned years ago; and Twitter doesn't represent a vertical slice of American politics as it once did, it had nearly 400M daily active users in January. By March that was less than 240M. Twitter routinely responds to press requests for comment on articles about Twitter now, with "💩"

And just this week ripped up the ability to embed tweets on substack articles, which shoulders a huge share of the independent journalism market. Folks will have to check the Elon thread for the whole rundown the past few months, but yeah he hasn't reportedly ever solved any of their bot problems, and he keeps doing things designed to intentionally alienate a lot of people who aren't in the clique or whatever of his technobros and maga heads. I for one, was happy to sit around and watch it burn but when we learned that Twitter had weeks or months prior to Elon telling us been the victim of a major password hack, I nuked the account over the volatility and security.

In conclusion: No, I don't think any ratio'ing on Twitter means as much today politically as it did even 6 months ago.

I'll be honest again and say that wouldn't be necessarily enough for court either, you'd have to explicitly tie the individual alleged with the assault with shouldering the actions of everyone in attendance. It's not enough to say "there's a pride parade outside my house, I feel too scared to get milk" or even enough to say a bunch of people outside loudly disagree with your views or think your bombed your rock band set on stage that night in the case of security having to usher out eg. a rock band from an "unsafe" crowd. Lot's of folk may agree with you there but I am more reluctant than you to suggest it would be a majority.

It's going to be an uphill battle to convince jurors that the crowd in the videos shown was particularly violent or bloodthirsty etc, of the ones I saw most just stood and held signs and/or drinks in their hand, the whole back half of this video (you can also see Police present, no arrests reported)

Yelling and screaming at someone, in a lot of everyday cases, can be considered assault, that is true. Not when it comes to political speech however, the United States Supreme Court has always come down on the side of political speech in those cases and only sided against when it dealt with imminent unlawful action (many are convinced this SCOTUS would deem Trump's January 6 speech as protected political speech, others argue it incited a violent insurrection attempt). Here the caption says "VIOLENT LEFT MOB" most of the group is nonviolent and saying loudly "Trans women are women" is not assault. So the twitterista's prosecution of the crowd in the court of twitter opinion does not seem to amount to much, in fact.

For her sake if she wants to press charges about the individual, it will be about the individual's actions, not the crowd, or the way the crowd (not the alleged assailant themselves) made them feel, ie. trapped for 3 hours allegedly.

The problem we have is people thinking that shouting abuse into someones face is considered peaceful. It's not.

Yeah the personal beratement "you bitch" etc. that's much harder to defend in public or in court, and generally some restrictions may apply.

Gaines made herself a public figure though giving public talks about public policy - in the eyes of the law she might have a higher hurdle to climb (just like if someone called Trump a "pussy ass bitch" to his face, it would be politically and legally weak to prosecute that person for criminal assault). The jury (if it gets that far) might also have access to the speech she gave on the night.

Gaines made herself a public figure by speaking up, let this be a lesson to anyone else who feels the need

At the same time shouting **** you pig, totally legal.

It's also not against the constitution to yell fire in a crowded theater.

You said gaines said thomas "flashed" her, she did not say that, own it and leave it go. She said she was exposed to thomas's penis not thomas exposed her penis. I also did not call you a bully.