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Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer/Gossip 23/24 - [New Thread Available]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,203 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Imo Bruno is an average footballer....has a few good moment / games here and there but in a lot of the big games he does nothing. I wouldn't be a bit disappointed if he was moved on in the summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Bruno is like an more inconsistent Nani.

    I also think yesterday has shown AWB is the first choice RB over Dalot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭IBrows89


    Ah stop with this nonsense on Bruno, he was asked to play a deep lying midfield role today (at least in the first half) with McTominay pushed ahead of him and Sabitzer beside him. We all know McTominay does not show for the ball so isn't an option for short passes through the lines and Sabitzer really didn't look up to the pace today.

    When Bruno is pushed up higher there's less risk of him losing it close to our box and usually if he does drop deep when he starts in a higher position he has more room as defensive midfielders might not track him all the way back, yesterday as a deep lying midfielder he didn't get any space and didn't have any options in the middle.

    I know he's clearly out best CB but I'm wondering if it would be worth putting Martinez in the CDM role for the next couple of games, could put Shaw at CB or bring Lindelof in even. Our CDM options just aren't there and at this stage we've tried the Fred or McTominay project enough times to know it's just not their postition at PL level.



  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The squad without Casemiro has 3 good midfielders who are better box to box so they always play a 4-2-3-1 when he's not there. This is imbalanced as when the responsibility is supposed to be shared to drop in and cover or take the balls from the defenders nobody does it.

    It's why Sabitzer and McTominay can go score a few goals in internationals and look clueless a few days later.

    As ever though it's 'x player is useless and y player is the worst to ever wear the shirt'. Pure scapegoating when the problems run much deeper and at an organisational level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,203 ✭✭✭Robson99


    In other words Utd without Casemiro have 3 poor midfielders who do not have the discipline to play a role given to them and are not good enough for a top 4 club



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    ETH hasn't really helped Bruno ping-ponging him around the pitch but Bruno is ridiculously Jekyll and Hyde regardless of his position.

    He can alternate between working hard for the team and working hard to get after the referee. At least three times yesterday he got pick-pocketed due to having the same level of awareness as Stevie Wonder, thats a huge flaw regardless of position. He should have far better awareness, its a pretty basic requirement of any footballer.



  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Right well that's not what I said at all and in no universe could "in other words" apply to what I said and the nonsense there but sure, on we go.

    Scapegoat of the week for next week to be Rashford for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭IBrows89


    What about when he played against Barce (and a few other games after) and played on the right and left hand side and put in solid if not great performances.

    Yesterday McTominay, Weghourst, Rashford & Sabitzer all played in their natural and probably preferred positions and were all absolutely terrible. Having someone who's main strength is creativity and assists and asking them to play a deep role covering against a strong balanced midfield of Newcastles isn't his only tool being a hammer, it's a completely different set of skills and against a top opponent with a huge supporting crowd.

    If Kane was playing CDM or De Bruyne in CB would you think the same thing as above, give the man a break. He's played nearly every minute of Uniteds crazy fixture list and has had to adapt to playing with so many different people in different positions. He would be one of the last people I'd be looking at replacing, apart from a well deserved rest which we can't do because we don't have any suitable replacement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,697 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Why can the likes of David Silva play midfield without giving the ball away every 5 seconds but it is unfair to expect Fernandes to do the same? I'm not asking him to break legs or intercept passes, just stop giving the damn ball away and leaving the team under pressure.

    But thats Bruno, he gets away with murder again and again. Erikson is twice the player, and the fact Erikson still has more PL assists than Bruno despite being injured since January says it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭billyhead




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    Go on Michael lad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭BenK


    That's a nice surprise. Takes a little bit of the heat out of yesterday's loss. Win against Brentford and things are looking up in the league again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,769 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    Sigh! Here we are again looking at other teams doing us favours. We’ve completely dropped the ball since the league cup. Same bunch of players, same old story, they go through these purple patches and then go to sh1te. Hate to say it, but it’s the same old players that completely drop off. If Bruno, Rashford and Shaw can’t maintain their form then they need to be dropped. Others like McT, Dalot, Weghorst, shouldn’t be starting games. Antony, Sabitzer, Varane and Martinez need a kick up the arse as well, and if their form continues then they should also be dropped. That’s my current assessment anyway. Raging at the current form. That pool game looks less and less like a blip. No way should Newcastle be rag-dolling us like that. Fuming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    It sums up my views on the Man Utd thread in this forum. The thread swings from "We're going to win the league!!!!" to "We're the worst team to ever don a kit!!!" Manic highs to to manic lows. Insert witch hunts against X player while Y player is sacred and "the least of our problems" because of a performance 3-4 years ago.

    The reality is that Liverpool and Chelsea have massively underperformed this season. Spurs have been Spurs. Arsenal have massively outperformed. United are 3 points ahead of where they were under Ralf last season. Its an evolution, not a revolution. The real rival is and remains City. Because even in a year where we pretend they are poor, they are still fighting for a title. From a Man Utd perspective, the hope is the Glazer's are expelled and the new ownership allows the club to take the massive opportunity to strengthen this summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,435 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    The inconsistency of Spurs is our best chance at staying in the CL spaces. It'll be 4th not 3rd though as Newcastle are strong.


    4th spot and a cup would be an excellent first season. Europa would be a huge bonus but quite achievable. FA Cup highly unlikely due to City still being in. Can only hope that they're distracted by their league challenge.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Not really. We're level on points with Spurs with 2 games in hand. If they'd won, we'd be 2 point behind Spurs with 2 games in hand. It is still totally in our own hands.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Lets see how Newcastle are after their run of 3 games away to West Ham, Brentford and Villa. Our next 3 are Brentford and Everton at home and Forest away. Our form needs to improve, but third is definitely still on.

    Post edited by Cookiemunster on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    If I was Newcastle I wouldn’t fancy an away trip to Newcastle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Yes but we shouldn't be relying on other teams for favours. We have been piss poor the last few weeks.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Except, as I pointed out in the post you quoted, we aren't relying on anyone for favours. The top 4 is still totally in our own hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    With the run we were on we should have had top 4 pretty much cemented (although not mathematically but likely) at this stage but to be now 5th even though we have a couple of games in hand on Spurs is bad.



  • Posts: 14,734 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bookies odds have us around 70% likely for top four, sky had an opta predictor last night that had us 80% for it. We are still odds on we have played all the worst games we will bar spurs, no need to start panicking yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Wow for a player so inconsistent he sure does have a lot of goals and assists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Really hope that ETH learns from his mistakes over the last few games. Fred has to come back into the side. I can't understand why he goes with Sabitzer and McTominay in midfield, after seeing it fail vs Fulham, and then go again vs Newcastle? Utterly bizarre.

    We need to win the next two games.

    I'd go

    DDG, AWB/Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Fred, Sabitzer, McTominay, Rashford, Martial, Fernandes.

    I'd go with AWB over Dalot if he is fit and available.

    Not entirely happy with the midfield, but I can't see an argument to go with anything else. we need to pack the midfield to do something.

    If we can get through the next two games, and get Casemiro and maybe Eriksen back in midfield, along with martial up front instead of Wout, we should see a lot of improvement.

    Also, the last few games just hammering home my opinion that we desperately need a Striker, a Central Midfielder and a Goalkeeper in the summer. If we don't sign them, we've no hope next season too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,697 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    6 PL assists this season. 6 last season.

    His assist stats for United are worse than Nani's were. 1 assist every 3.76 PL games for Bruno, every 2.7 games for Nani. In all competitions it is 3.23 for Nani compared to Bruno's 3.35

    Bruno has more goals in all comps, 60 compared to 41. But 23 of those are penalties, whereas Nani only ever scored 1 penalty for United.

    I think the comparison is absolutely valid, either they are both inconsistent or neither of them are/were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,513 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    According to Transfermarkt they have basically the same amount of goals and assists, but bruno in 60 less games.

    Also, Nani was playing to Rooney, Ronaldo, Ruud, RVP, Tevez, Berbatov.

    Bruno has been playing to a statue Ronaldo, Cavani? Martial? Rashford? Wout? Lukaku - though I think Lukaku was basically on his way out of the side (due to Ole) when Buno came in.

    Should we not consider that the quality of goalscorers Nani played with is far superior to what Bruno plays with? Would Bruno have more assists this season if we had a striker that could score rather than Ronaldo and then Wout? Any striker Nani played with would walk into the side ahead of what Bruno has played with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭BenK


    I can only speak for myself obviously but I didn't swing from we're going to win the league to we're the worst team to ever don a kit. I agree that it's evolution not revolution.

    I think we're still a good bit off the level of the top teams and it will take time to get there. Whatever about the comparison to Ralf's time, I think that overall the signs have been positive this season and that ETH looks to be bringing the team in the right direction. Champions League qualififcation is very important to help continue the team's progression and if it means relying on other teams to be **** to get there, so be it. The ends justify the means. The squad is very thin in certain areas and we've a hectic schedule so we are going to need a bit of luck to get there and hopefully win another trophy.

    As ever, the summer transfer window is fundamental to see what will be possible for next season and we'll just have to wait and see on that front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭Anything4883


    Antony is a huge problem in this team. Stops every flow of attack on the right side wit cutting back. a no.9 wont score many goals with him in their team. He cant deliver a ball into a striker by looks of things this season. The fact ETH has brought him in for big money is going to go bad, as he will refuse to drop him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭Cotts72


    Yet was our main attacking threat Sunday and completely killed our attack when taken off. He also defends alongside our RBs very well. He does need to train that right leg more though



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