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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    That's pretty impressive. Fair play.

    And here I was thinking I was great getting nearly 10k downloads for a stupid android soundboard app.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    What I learned from coding is that even the simplest looking app can be quite complicated. I'm sure it was a decent chunk of work. I wouldn't be surprised if your soundboard got more downloads than Harry's!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,100 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    Yeah I did the same course in the Digital Hub. That game jogged my memory as I definitely heard of that before, I did the course in (2012/2013 I think)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I was there 2012-2013 as well. I think they got rid of the games part of the course shortly afterwards which is a shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,100 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    That's a shame, some of the design classes were good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    My app got app store review bombed by (what I assume were) friends of a rival app. Icing on the cake.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    The funniest moment I had was when the entire class turned against the lecturer who used to work for Sierra during a class. He was explaining how they used to pick which games got the bigger marketing budget and then the class figured out he was basically admitting that he was the one that shafted Homeworld out of its marketing budget and sent it out to die.

    He was a decent guy and knew his stuff but there were a lot of Homeworld fans in the class!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    It's strange we have FANNG et al here, but AAA video game development didn't really take off. I think it's because we are risk averse as a nation/economy. And there is much more money available in "boring" software dev.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,283 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Is Havok still used? Wasn't that Irish? I know it's not a game but it was used in plenty of AAA games.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Started up by a trinity lecturer and some students he hired. They had or might still have a small office in the digital hub on James street but they've been bought by Microsoft so not sure where they are now.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Oh its all the governments fault. During my time in the industry Canada was blowing up in terms of game dev because of tax cuts and they were poaching talent and developers. The UK government really screwed up by refusing to introduce their own tax cuts for their own videogame industry. So the Irish games industry was lobbying politicians to take the opportunity to introduce Irish tax cuts and poach UK talent and developers.

    But being Irish politicians with no foresight they let the opportunity get away from them and the UK brought in their own cuts.

    Another big reason is the lack of coding in Irish schools. The UK was on the ball introducing coding into the curriculum in the 80s. Pretty sure Ireland still hasn't. As a result you have a lot of uk coders in the industry that got their start with assembly on microcomputers and their coding stills are ahead of most other coders that learn higher level languages. There also so really great development studios over there for triple A games.

    We did have Funcom Dublin. Seanseanson has a great YouTube video on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    It's now possible for a single person to create a game with AI generated art and sound and even a lot of the code. As a actual game for retail or a very good prototype.

    So, that's one big hurdle out of the way for a good develope with a great game design.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    To be fair, coding is now in some schools. My daughter had the option of picking a technology module that I'd have KILLED for in secondary school where they learn to code on arduino boards and do some python & java coding.

    Really echoing how badly we dropped the ball in Ireland for the tax cuts, I came out of one of the first dedicated game development B.Sc's in 2009 and there was a hunger then to get more game dev going in Ireland. We did have a lot of folks from the universities and gaming companies push for the tax breaks but I think the Great Recession took precedence and within a year of graduating, and no gaming jobs around, I ended up in enterprise software.

    Without focusing on specific games though there are areas we're well known for contributing to, like Havok for physics engines, demonware for networking code, the xbox engineering team in microsoft in Dublin is not insignificant and I know a guy who did some good work on the accessibility projects for xbox in there too, and one that stuck out when I was in college was one of the best examples of a niche was a crowd who basically had an asset pack for trees they licenced to game studios. No idea if they are still going or not but apparently they were making a good bundle at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,917 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    I'm hoping Romero's new FPS is a big hit. That's being made in Galway. It would be great to see them cement their place here and become a beacon for talent to come, or indeed stay, here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,552 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Going the other way there's a one man game made using unreal called "out of action" looks like a Ghost in the shell FPS that I really like the look of, made by a guy called Doku was an character and lighting artist and worked on a bunch of games as well as modding and if a game had a player created side of it's ingame store he'd probably having something in that.

    Only actual coding he'd to do was to get the slow mo to work, rest just used Unreals block system, which is probably no small coincidence that



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Remember the PS1 and PS2? Remember when those consoles had libraries of weird quirky and brilliant games, when big game releases were interesting and not sad dad simulators?

    Well humanity looks to be a nice slice of early playstation magnificence.

    No news of a Xbox release unfortunately but damn this looks so good.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    The demo was great. Nice mix of old school puzzle vibes but with the new tech used for some delightfully weird visual and gameplay ideas. But it’s Enhance, one of the best devs around, so no surprise there :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭marcbrophy


    For a second, I thought it was Humankind getting it's console release!

    But yeah, I'll give this a blast on PS+ looks like some quirky fun :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Holy ****, Flashback 2, out November this year.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    We already had Flashback 2 though.

    I think I might be the only Fade to Black apologist still alive...

    I just hope this is better than the utter shite that was that 3D Flashback reimagining from a few years back.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Fade To Black was..... different. I remember enjoying it but also it wasn't a patch on the original. I'm not sure of the 3d sections in this but definitely keeping my eye on it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    UK CMA formally blocks Microsoft’s Activision acquisition 👀 UK was always going to be the biggest hurdle, but still surprised they actually ended up blocking it. Pretty major deal - prepare for legal battles?




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Have to admit, I didn't expect that to happen, particularly since they dropped their concerns about console level consolidation. Hilarious that it got blocked over cloud gaming, when absolutely no one is going to be streaming COD anytime soon, even if ABK chose to make it available.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's also already available to stream on Boosteroid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,029 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Maybe Microsoft and the CMA can reach some agreement by talking to Joe on Liveline.

    😉



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's nothing to stop Activision ans MS having a closer, very cosy relationship. They can't block 2 businesses doing business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,283 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Not that I got far in Flashback or played Fade to Black, but I thought Fade to Black was more a follow up than a sequel, the same way Flashback was a follow up to Another World while others think it's a sequel.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    There's actually plenty, if you're in charge of a business, then you have to do what's in the interest of the shareholders. In this case, favouring MS over Sony would mean less sales, which would result in a lower stock price, the opposite of what shareholders would want. The shareholders might be missing out on a big pay today, but they definitely don't want their stock to perform worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,100 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Fade to Black is not a good game to go back to. I wouldn't be able to play it today. But on release it was a full 3D adventure game on PC before the likes of Tomb Raider. It really doesn't hold up though with poor controls, lack of any elevation in terrain and sky high difficulty. I think it's unfairly maligned as people only judge it against the PS1 port which was severely out of date when it arrived. On PC it reviewed really well and was seen as a big step forward in 3D.

    Fade to Black is definitely a sequel to Flashback and takes place after it. Flashback also isn't a follow up to Another World. Both were different developers but people say that because it was the same publisher.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sure but that's inclusive of doing business. I mean is bring COD to game pass bad for stock holders? They're happy to have it on boosteroid already. Slightly different in that you need to own the game to stream it. But is game pass really bad for business to the degree shareholders would be unhappy?



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Ah, they'd be more than happy enough to pay to buy ABK, but they wouldn't pay ABK to put it on Gamepass, they're two very different types of expenditure, and there's no way that MS could make the numbers work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,659 ✭✭✭quokula


    Yes, giving the game away for free to people who subscribe to gamepass instead of charging €70 or whatever per head for it is bad for business. Unless you're a small dev with low sales prospects, or you've got an old game that's already done most of its lifetime sales, or you're the owner of the platform and you're trying to lock more people into your ecosystem. This is why no AAA third party games ever appear on day one on gamepass, whether from Activision or anyone else.

    For it to be worth Activision's while, Microsoft would have to pay as much money as all the combined purchasers would have spent to buy the game and they simply would have no chance of making that much back in new gamepass subscribers so it just makes no financial sense. Buying out ABK is a completely different scenario because it's capital expenditure and it's something that they calculate will make a return on investment over many years and across far more IPs than just COD and far more platforms than just console.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,352 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    That's not true though because Microsoft, Sony, Apple etc all take 30% of the sales price.

    If COD for example went onto gamepass then then you'd imagine that Xbox are paying a decent fee upfront for that but that would be below the 70% of COD sales value.

    Where you could see a benefit to COD would be that Game Pass players may be far more likely to buy micro transactions because they've gotten the game for "free".


    Microsoft also announced they made $1B in revenue from Game Pass subscriptions last quarter. That's only going to grow as well.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    That's not really how business works. In simple terms more sales should equal more money. But having COD on gamepass will boost share price and the worth of the company grow which is the ultimate goal. It's how new tech businesses can lose money hand over foot each year and still be worth a lot of money. COD on gamepass is a big boost for XBOX and MS shareprices and company worth. In a way it's far more valuable than game sales because with game sales a huge amount of money is wasted on distribution and warehousing.



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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They specifically called out cloud streaming as the reason, not game pass. It could be a good time for MS to introduce streaming of purchased games. Same as GFN and Boosteroid. Boosteroid already have COD, but you have to own the game to stream it.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Microsofts Brad Smith was on BBC radio this morning talking about the CMA (spoiler alert, they're extremely pissed), one of the little bits of info that came out was that Microsoft currently has capacity for 5000 streaming sessions in the UK. I don't think I've ever even heard of a complaint that people can't get on, so I'd say that they're never hitting capacity.

    Imagine having a $69 billion dollar deal blown up over a sector that's so small you couldn't even see it with a microscope, and which may never grow into anything. You'd be absolutely raging.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Jason schreier said it was due to the collapse of Stadia and them deeming there's little competition left. So basically Phil Harrison caused the deal to fall through.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Regulatory bodies exist precisely so companies like Microsoft can't just do whatever they want with the nearly unlimited resources at their disposal. I'm sure he's annoyed, but I personally find it very hard to conjure up much sympathy for the guy earning $20 million+ a year for running a tech giant :)



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Ah, that was more of an off hand comment, just setting up the punchline of Phil Harrison. Even if Stadia was still going, MS would still have enough of the market that the CMA would have blocked, even if the market is essentially non-existant.



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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its just so bizzare that it was the streaming aspect that they used to block it. It really does show signs of finding any reaso they can to block it.

    The future for the xCloud/streaming part of Game Pass is far from certain. It's hard to imagine a situation where it is ever better to stream instead of playing natively on a console service. That will never change as long as they are using consoles for streaming.

    OK, on the move. But honestly the mobile networks just aren't good enough. And in my experience and with family in the U.S their broadband and mobile networks are worse than what we have here and they still have data caps.

    GFN and Stadia are/were different. GFN offers a streaming service that is better quality than many peoples PC's. That is worth paying for. Someone who can only dream of owning a 4090 PC can rent one for a month and play their favourite game on a high spec PC., But then their problem is the library is poor.

    Now if game pass was to start using PC servers and offer better than native game quality, esentially turning a series S into a PC streaming client then I think there'd be an argument to say it is something for a competition authority to worry about. But they haven't gone that route. It's a console streaming service and it's never going to beat playing games on a PS5 which is essentially what they are worried about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,207 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    No doubt too that Sony will probably pull back on trying to develop or enhance their own streaming service platforms because it would then increase competition and open the door to the merger again.

    EVERYONE'S A LOSER!



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kevin McCarthy (house speaker) was just on cnbc saying he found it very suspicious that there was a phone call between the FTC and CMA and as a result of that phone call the deal was blocked. He went as far to ask the question whether something illegal has taken place if they were somehow colluding together.

    I can see a case for appeal building to be honest.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Kevin McCarthy is not someone to side with. The Republicans are cartoonish supervillains who'd literally rather let the planet burn rather than introduce a regulation that mildly inconveniences a megacorp.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    I'd have killed for that tech module as well in school, I found Qbasic by complete accident back in the late 90's and that's what got me interested in coding, loved messing around with it and making small programs. After a long break from coding I got back into it a few years ago and now I wanna get into game programming but not sure where to start being honest.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    If you want to get paid well and not treated like **** my advice is either don't, or make sure you are financially stable enough to start an indie.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh yeah I know that. But he has power as do the GOP. Despite the politics, there is a question to be answered about the FTC calling the CMA especially when it's followed up with a u-turn in sentiment and a rather left field reason for blocking the merger.

    He did also say they want to see less regulation, not more. So there most definitely is politics involved. Also Don't forget the "Japanese" company trying to block the big American merger.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    The Republicans are just interested in this because it sets a precedence for their mega corporation and oil corporations to carry out their own monopolistic practices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭McFly85


    The idea that there’s something suspicious about regulatory agencies speaking to each other is pretty flimsy.

    Its typical of the GOP these days to turn something routine into a huge issue without any evidence of wrongdoing whatsoever.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    The regulatory agencies and market regulations are too woke these days.



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