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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    As someone told me a while back, don't assume corruption is at work when incompetence could be the more likely explanation

    From what I could gather, the problem with switching the D/N meters over was that they record the meter readings separately, whereas a smart meter just reports a single reading every 30 mins and leaves it to ESBN to sort out the details

    I absolutely could believe that ESBN ordered a bunch of smart meters without checking they were compatible first

    Or just as possible is that they needed the developer of the meters to implement that feature before they rolled it out

    I don't know if there's any hardware differences between the 24 hour smart meters and D/N smart meters, it's quite possible that a software update is all that was required

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Yeah I think its a literal thing that you cant press the button and get the required reading up on the screen (yes i know day = day+peak) on a day night meter,

    Ive seen a smart meter it has 24hrs, Day, peak, night, export (and the apparent power readings), thats why then can just drop into a 24 hr plan.

    It is very likely its a software change to show the total day and total night on the screen. so now they can go do the drop in replacement of the Day/Night

    (currently my day night has 3 readings, and is shown in this order : 0: 24 hrs, 2: Day, 1: Night with the writing on the meter explaining what the numbers mean).. Ah it might not be just a software, maybe some printing too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Is Seat being left to die as a brand? I know Cupra is part of Seat, but it seems Seat have no plans for Seat branded EVs, according to the CEO. Just budget ICE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,174 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    ESBN aren't exactly quick off the mark with turning around meter changes. I requested one, smart upgrade, back in October and still waiting. I was told it was around 4-6 months at best to get it changed. My current meter you see was changed by the previous owners to a pre pay meter so although I am operating it as a regular meter(that was a faff getting it done) it isn't suitable for a charger install(needs to be at cabinet for my house). I asked Electric Ireland to submit a request as well(only 2 weeks ago), you can on their website. I'm currently granny charging a PHEV, not end of the world(7 hours for a Tucson), but would be nice to get a charger installed. My grant is running out, no big deal just submitting a new request but you'd think after 5 months they might have pencilled in a change. I'd say If I paid for it it would be done sharpish. I had wondered why I wasn't getting a meter done 2 years ago when my neighbours were. Apparently when you change it for a Pre Pay meter it is considered a "New" meter so they didn't include my MPRN for the national upgrade. I'm on the list apparently as I simply called up ESBN and asked.

    When I moved in my Gas Meter was also pre paid and I had to pay €200 to change it to a newer meter read version. It was done 3 business days later. The supplier had a €200 joining bonus so that was helpful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I assume they aren't getting rid of the brand but it's hard to see where the future is for them.

    Perhaps they're planning to eventually just roll Cupra into the Seat brand entirely, so there'd be a load of Seat EVs and a Cupra version of them

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Stupidity reigns supreme

    So it looks like the compromise is that there'll be a category of vehicles which run only on e-fuels, which seems to be the new buzzword for synthetic fuels


    These new vehicles will have some mechanism to ensure they can't be run on fossil fuels, which will no doubt inspire a whole new generation of fuel scammers


    No mention exactly how this mechanism will work, or who exactly is going to buy those cars. With fuels being estimated to cost €2-3/l, it'll be a pretty expensive hobby


    All this nonsense so Jurgen can drive around in his BMW M5 and listen to his van engine bang away


    I can't but be amused that the market loving neoliberal FDP party is trying to use regulations to keep a dying industry alive 😏

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    From now on, odd numbered Audi's will be ICE and even numbers will be electric

    But the electric models will also be called e-tron, I guess because not everyone will immediately know the even number means electric

    And the Audi A4 will become the A5, and the A6 becomes the A7

    This is the kind of solution that only makes sense to someone from Audi 🤦‍♂️

    No mention of where the PHEVs will sit, I'm guessing they'll be odd numbered since they're derivatives of the ICE platform

    Remember that "experiment" that VW did years ago where they pumped a load of diesel fumes into a room full of monkeys to try and show they weren't harmful? I feel like someone did the same in the Audi boardroom and this is the end result 🙄

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,744 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Please tell me that's a made up story about VW pumping exhaust fumes into a room of monkeys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    These are modern times, an Audi PHEV can choose to be whatever number it wants to be 😉

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    The experiments were conducted by a group called European Research Group on Environment and Health (EUTG) a group that was funded by Daimler, VW and BMW. Each of the manufactures distanced themselves from the group after the tests came to light.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    True, although the EUTG didn't conduct the research, they operated more like a lobbying group which paid labs to conduct research to prove diesel engines were safe


    You can all probably guess how well that went


    VW got particularly bad press over it because the vehicle used to generate the fumes was a Beetle

    The great irony is that the Beetle used had the emmisions defeating software on board and as a result the exhaust fumes were a lot cleaner than in normal conditions

    Not that the experiment had any scientific validity anyway, sounds like it was just an elaborate PR stunt with some animal torture thrown in for effects

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,438 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I don't think there's much point in having skoda and seat in the vw group which both sit somewhere must slightly below the VW brand in the hierarchy. Kinda occupy the same market and cannibalise each other. Although I know they cannibalise VW sales too.

    So Cupra as a brand was born, pardon the pun. Seat apparently are going to concentrate on e mobility like scooters etc long term. I can seat disappearing as a brand of cars in next few years once cupra establishes itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    Seat and Cupra may merge again in time under the Cupra name. Cupra's quality isn't great but the brand appears to be doing well and has its place in the market creating flashy cars for 30-something-year-olds. VW, Skoda, and Seat are quite evenly matched but I see Skoda differentiating itself from VW as the more conservative brand of the two while VW pumps out slippery-looking EVs over the next 10 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,744 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Also, we're looking at this from an Irish perspective with no indigenous brands.

    The Seat brand will be worth a few % of market share in Iberia just because of the badge.

    Skoda is a bit harder to pin down, since the Czech/Slovak market would be quite small compared to Spanish/Portugese.

    Theirs is more of a value proposition than Seat's I think. 15 years ago you would not have seen any German registered Skodas, but that had changed by around 5 years ago with many perceiving Skoda to be better value than the VW equivalent. I'm not sure if that's still the case and if there is any longer better value to be had with Skoda, especially with EVs.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    That's how the brands distanced themselves. Brand funds industry group, industry group pays lab to test effect of emissions, lab comes up with own test protocol. Layers of separation that results in headline VW gasses monkey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Maybe, although I'm not sure the Spanish will be too happy with their flagship car brand being disposed of

    The great thing about plans is they change every day it seems. Remember when VW said they'd retire the Golf brand and replace it with the ID.3? And then they did a complete U turn a few months ago?

    So it's quite possible Seat will stay around. They've got an advantage that they'll have a lot of EV manufacturing experience by the time ICE sales end in Europe

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Roscrea circle k offline past while. Any idea what's going on thar?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    There was a check-in yesterday on Plugshare, so as of then the charger was working


    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,318 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I thought many of the cupra branded EVs were made in Germany at VW ID plants as in not in Spain at all. See




    However as of today they do plan on Spanish made EVs


    In general brands do vary in popularity and image from country to country. Some are seen as young, sports, others quality, local etc. Often there is an Audi VW and other brand of same car made in same factory such as Tiguan and pricing and desirability reflect the brand and vary by country.

    They often have sly ploys such as low power version followed up by high power "GTI" a year later followed by facelift etc. Often launch models have only larger battery option. VW is insanely popular in Ireland, without checking probably more popular than in Germany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The CEO of VW brand, Thomas Schäefer, lives in Wicklow now. Ireland can finally put a mark on the car manufacturers CEO scoreboard 😁

    Here's the text in case anyone hits the paywall:

    VW chief Thomas Schäfer: ‘Ireland is becoming strongly electrified’


    Now based in Co Wicklow, Schäfer says Irish customers can expect to see more affordable electric models from the brand



    Henry Ford never lived in Ireland. In the popular imagination, the man who created the once biggest car maker in the world, and who triggered a second industrial revolution, emigrated in ragged trousers and bare feet from Ballinascarthy in Co Cork.


    It didn’t happen like that. It was actually Henry Ford’s father, William Ford, who left Ballinascarthy in 1847, in the midst of the Famine, and built a new life in the United States. In 1861, William married Mary Litogot Ahern, who was of Belgian descent, and two years later their second child Henry was born. But he was born in Springwells, Michigan, not Cork. Our national claim to Ford’s heritage is slightly tangential (the more so when you realise that William Ford’s family all came from Somerset, but that’s another day’s argument).


    Making a list of chief executives of major global car makers who have made their home in Ireland usually requires both a very small postage stamp and a fine-nibbed pen, but at last we have found one – Thomas Schäfer.


    Schäfer is the chief executive of the Volkswagen brand and so is responsible for one of the most significant car makers in the world, which has just posted profits of €2.6 billion and sales of more than 2.2 million cars – more if you count cars made in joint ventures in China.


    You’ll be expecting Schäfer to commute to work from a penthouse in Berlin, Frankfurt or Stuttgart, but no, he’s made his “forever home” in the Wicklow countryside. Much of that is down to Schäfer’s wife who’s South African by birth but who has Irish ancestry and convinced him to set up home here. During the week, Schäfer criss-crosses Europe, running not only Volkswagen but also overseeing Seat, Cupra, and Škoda – all part of the VW Group’s “volume brands” unit, of which he is also chief executive. At weekends, he’s at home and meeting his new neighbours in the local pub.


    With the boss of one of the world’s most important car brands now living within shouting distance of Dublin, has that given him any special insight into the notoriously iconoclastic Irish car market?


    “Obviously, Volkswagen is part of the Irish family and it’s very well represented in Ireland,” says Schäfer, on the fringes of the launch of the new ID.2all concept electric car. “Ireland is becoming strongly electrified. I was very positively surprised when I moved here last year. How many EVs on the road? Everywhere, you know. Charging points? Everywhere? It obviously has arrived to the mainstream.”


    On that subject, Schäfer thinks it was a mistake for the European Union to slap down Ireland’s proposed 2030 ban on combustion engines, even as the wider Volkswagen Group – especially through Porsche – makes investments in so-called e-fuels, potentially carbon-neutral synthetic petrol. “The earlier you get out of it – combustion – the better,” Schäfer says. “Ireland is pushing ahead, and it’s necessary. We’ll see soon how combustion engines are going to go up in price, not only because of the EU 7 emissions regulations but also because of simple scales of production. And we see the internal combustion numbers dropping off in the second half of the decade, tremendously so. And when battery electric vehicle sales go up, there’s no turning back. The quicker you are – at leaving combustion behind – the better.”


    And the e-fuels debate? “This is just a distraction,” says Schäfer. “The future is electric. For us, totally electric. The line-up of cars we’re bringing in now, there is no turning around. E-fuels have a role to play, but as an addition. They’re for ships, for aircraft, for existing vehicles, for old-timers, for race cars. In those applications, e-fuels are great and they help to decarbonise, but they’re no alternative to electric driving.”


    A key part of that electric transformation is bringing electric cars to the mass market. Volkswagen was formed – it’s right there in the name – as a maker of “people’s cars” but its prices of late have been anything but for all people. The recently introduced ID.Buzz electric car, which looks like a classic 1960s Type 2 VW van, has a starting price of €66,000 – comparable with high-end Mercedes and BMWs. This, says Schäfer, is changing and Irish customers can now start to expect to see more affordable electric models from VW.


    “What you see at the moment, in terms of pricing, is an effect of the scarcity of materials,” says Schäfer. “When you don’t have computer chips, and other parts, then you try and use the few you have to sell the cars you can make at the best price possible to secure your bottom line.” Volkswagen has indeed done just that, with chief financial officer Patrik Andreas Mayer confirming that rising production costs in 2022 were more than outweighed by rising vehicle prices and by selling higher-spec models.


    According to Schäfer, though, that’s not the future for VW. The car sitting on a plinth behind him as we chatted, the ID.2all, is a concept of a 2025 hatchback electric model that will offer a 450km range for a price of about €25,000 (depending on local taxes and specification). “If we don’t earn money then we can’t invest in the future, so that’s why, at the moment, we’re trying to sell cars as well equipped as they possibly can be,” says Schäfer. “As soon as that stabilises, and you can see the market coming down, in the chip market and so on, then we can also offer entry-level models.”


    He points to the ID.2all: “I think this car is going to be great. It’s going to be well priced. It’s going to be a car for Ireland.”

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,991 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    YES!!!

    Also a sign out the front showing the number of free bays and estimated waiting time to charge, and the price of charging

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    this should be in the car and known in advance, no need to wait until at the charger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,111 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    That is brilliant. It should be at every charger, along with signage like at forecourt entrances showing price per kWh in LED.

    @slave1 that would not be that easy to do, imo, unless it's a closed network like Tesla.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I agree, but we've seen how unreliable that can be with chargers showing free in the app but are actually in use


    Tesla have the best system but even that seems to have limitations, for example that Christmas jam up in the UK where 100 cars or so got routed to the same supercharger station


    Say at one of the motorway service stations there was a sign on the motorway with the number of free chargers and waiting time. If you were driving past and saw the waiting time was estimated at 45 mins then you probably wouldn't even slow down, just drive on to the next available chargers

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    That only works if the sign also says more chargers in 10km with no queue. Chargers are all networked, so it's technically possible that the availability couldn't be collected live by your car and displayed, whether it's Ionity, Ecars etc ..

    Would probably need the EU to push them into it though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well in reality charging hubs should be so ubiquitous that you don't have to go hunting for one.

    It should be like Norway where if there's a charging queue you just shrug your shoulders and drive to one of the other 3 hubs within 10km

    The EU recently adopted requirements for charging hubs every 60km along major routes which include signage showing the price per kWh or minute



    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,265 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    It’d be easy to if they had an app. Most people will use airplay or android auto.


    actually it might be hard for Tesla ..



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