The Kerry Babies Case

I know this was an horrific experience for the mother - it has to have been. In the last 39 years though she should have come forward - she wasnt that vulnerable kid for the last 39 years. If she didnt murder the baby than she too was a victim. However she didnt come forward and had no intention of coming forward it seems - if true its dna that revealed her secret not herself.

She had a moral obligation towards Joanne Hayes. Its probable all this mother done was have a baby out of wedlock - no crime in that - however she stood back for 39 years and allowed another womans life to be ruined.

Yeah, that whole can of worms needs to be kicked wide open regardless of who gets hurt.

Well no, if they had come forward at the time it would have been fairly obvious she had recently given birth.

The "heavy squad" would never have gone near Joanne.

This whole sorry mess would have been cleared up relatively quickly 40 years ago and consigned to local history never really spoken about.

However they didn't come forward.

For 40 years people have speculated.

Their own children will now be looking at them in a different light.

Their silence will probably create a much bigger ripple now than it would have 40 years ago if they were honest at the start.

It is possible that the sample was given because they knew it was they're parents who were baby Johns parents. This secret would have had to ate away at the parent/parents and perhaps did impact on family life.

I did think it unusual that a 20 or 30 something year old would volunteer a sample to solve a case that happened before they were born.

I don't think the person who gave the DNA that matched did so for any reason other than there was a trawl looking for people to give DNA, I think a younger person especially would be more inclined to go for that as they would probably understand how the whole building a profile and a family tree works. Watch a few Long Lost Family programmes or there is other ones more DNA related even and it's obvious how they can work backwards/forwards/sideways through generations matching DNA to find an answer. But then again that's just my theory, I wouldn't read into it that the sibling knew or had any clue.

It's been reported in the papers that the probable mum's father was a garda.

The newspapers reported the family were staying with relatives / friends.

Where do you think people go when their house is sealed off as a crime scene?

You might want to do a bit of research before you come on here with your "idle speculation" tantrums.

At the root of all this now, despite failings by previous generations of Gardai, is the pursuit of justice for what was done to an innocent baby, a baby who had been cared for, for 3 days before someone decided he had to go. We can't have any society that tolerates murder like this, then or now.

So you would call someone who was 11 (which she may have been) a mature person.

In relation to your 2nd point I 100% agree with you and in that you and I can agree she has to answer for that

Oh they will have to have there ducks in a row before they proceed with whatever case happens going forward. I wonder what she could be charged with though if she was not the one who killed Baby John, which is highly unlikely in my opinion

While I know it is not a bastion of good facts it is reported her father may have been dead at that point in the Sunday World