Cities around the world that are reducing car access

magicbastarder · 15-03-2023 4:31pm

have i ruined it now?

CatInABox · 15-03-2023 7:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120361911#Comment_120361911

Not ideal, no, but then again, when the cycle network was drawn up, I doubt the authors believed that Capel Street would ever be free of cars.

Pete_Cavan · 15-03-2023 9:51pm

I don't see the need for DCC to add lots of planting and seating to Capel Street. I think a better solution would be to allow each business to use the first few metres in front of their premises as they wish (within reason obviously). Let the businesses provide seating if they wish or have their shop spill over into the street. At least then the business has to look after it's area, collect glass/plates/rubbish.

I can't see how it will make the street attractive for outdoor socialising if buy food/drink and then have to wander along the street in the hope of finding seating. Each business can decide what's appropriate for them, places doing food will obviously have seating and tables, pubs might want higher density standing only.

The central part of the street should be uncluttered for people to move up and down the street. At junctions, where there is more space and less businesses, DCC could add things to create focal points. DCC should focus on providing a quality surface, lighting and bins. The real soul in nice streets come from the businesses there and their different characters, DCC taking entire outdoor area and designing it by numbers would be a disaster imo.

CatInABox · 16-03-2023 11:26am

A lot of the shops along there don't need an outdoor presence, so I'm not sure that leaving it to them would work. In fairness to them, the mock ups are following your suggestion of focal points at junctions.

One thing that I really hate about the mock ups that DCC put out is the ludicrous scale that they use. The people in those mock ups are tiny, making it look like there's going to be this grand plaza at the junctions. They did the same when they put out the redesign for the Nassau Street area, the stock people they used wouldn't even come up to a door handle, making the entire place look huge.

Thelonious Monk · 22-03-2023 11:04am

https://twitter.com/nolankucd/status/1638285869147734019

This is a bad one. Next time someone bangs on about cyclists "nearly hitting" them on footpaths show them this.

AlmightyCushion · 22-03-2023 11:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386706#Comment_120386706

That happens all the time on O Connell street. "Sure where else am I meant to park"

Citizen Six · 22-03-2023 3:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120386728#Comment_120386728

I worked in the McDonalds there when I was a teenager. Deliveries always made through the lane in the back.

Thargor · 22-03-2023 5:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120388072#Comment_120388072

Ive been playing a lot of "ChatGPT or real human" on Boards lately.

Seth Brundle · 22-03-2023 10:07pm

Who votes for these cretins?

A Limerick councillor says elderly residents in a city community are being criminalised and terrorised by traffic wardens.

A meeting of the Council's metropolitan district heard that traffic wardens have issued parking tickets to elderly people living in the Clare Street area for parking on footpaths.

Cllr Kieran O'Hanlon says council officials should show more compassion for people who have been parking this way for decades.

https://www.live95fm.ie/news/live95-news/elderly-residents-are-being-terrorised-by-traffic-wardens-says-ohanlon/

cgcsb · 22-03-2023 10:36pm

Is that a windup?

Citizen Six · 22-03-2023 11:57pm

Word will soon get out.

p_haugh · 23-03-2023 11:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389525#Comment_120389525

"Have been parking that way for decades"

About time the rule book is thrown at them

magicbastarder · 23-03-2023 1:59pm

Good read on the concept of the 15 minute city and people's attachment to their cars.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/newe.12330

Thelonious Monk · 23-03-2023 4:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120390772#Comment_120390772

the thing is, authorities have allowed residential areas to develop in their own way where people on tight streets can still buy two cars and dump them wherever they can as long as they're not blocking the road and cars can still pass through. blocking footpaths was always ok and most people are first of all blind to the fact that it could be a problem and secondly do not even know it's illegal. so if you allow entire communities to develop this way and all of them become reliant on the parking, as much as i detest cars parked on footpaths, it's actually unfair in a way to start enforcing it all of a sudden.

if the rules were implemented from the start, people who needed cars or 2 cars may have considered living elsewhere and it all would have developed differently. urban areas in ireland are a total mess with footpath parking and i really don't see how they can roll it back now. if they started rigorously fining footpath parkers in residential areas, it would cause so much mayhem that i have no doubt the people issuing the fines would be told to cease doing so by the higher ups.

Citizen Six · 23-03-2023 10:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120392392#Comment_120392392

It just comes down to people thinking that they can store their private property, on public space, any way they want.

what_traffic · 24-03-2023 9:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120392392#Comment_120392392

Spot on, this culture has not been facilitated directly per se, but by inaction over the decades when car ownership exploded in growth this country has created a culture where it's now tolerated or in some cases not even seen. I think the only way to roll back is in embracing the bollards everywhere for the next decade along with fines as the mid-term solution.

Thelonious Monk · 24-03-2023 10:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120394586#Comment_120394586

But then youd hear where does the single mother trying to get to work park, and the house needing 2 cars because public transport isn't there etc etc. Its gone way too far and can't be reversed now imo.

CatInABox · 24-03-2023 10:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120394634#Comment_120394634

Tis the same arguments that were around in the Netherlands when they started the transition to a cycling culture back in the seventies. Don't hear much about it now, but the key point is that they started, and over time the new normal became accepted.

Thelonious Monk · 24-03-2023 10:37am

But there's no movement to stop this kind of thing in Ireland. The police park all over footpaths and walk past it all the time.

CatInABox · 24-03-2023 10:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120394772#Comment_120394772

I wouldn't say that there's no movement, I'd say we're at the start of it in Ireland. We're definitely making progress on Greenways, which are now widely supported by County Councils, we're making progress on cycle lanes within cities and towns, we're making progress on increased public transport, we're even making progress on the conversation around parking. A few years ago this councillor wouldn't have even made the news with a comment like that, it would have been totally accepted, but now it's news, and she's not being hailed as some freedom fighter, she's being ridiculed for her mistaken beliefs.

There will come a tipping point, where cars aren't seen as the automatic answer. It will happen, but I think that we just can't see it yet because we're right in the thick of it.

cgcsb · 24-03-2023 10:51am

Only this morning I was driving to a site and stuck in traffic, I let a woman with a car load of kids pull out of her driveway and go on front of me. She was a very unskilled driver and the vehicle was simply too large for her competency, reversing and turning proved extremely difficult for her. She then continued along the road and 500m later mounted the kerb and began unloading the children into the school which is also on the same side of the road as her house. A journey that would most definitely have been faster on foot. She'll be annoyed in a few years when the little cherubs are lazy, selfish and suffering with obesity. You learn most of your habits before you're 15.

MJohnston · 24-03-2023 1:48pm

It's been bothering me for years, and I created the f'ing thread, but would a mod consider changing the title of this thread to "Cities around the world reducing car access"?

The grammar has been hurting me