Ireland v England Grand Slam Decider 2023

The "he only had a split second to react" arguement is such bull. When Hansen first knocks the ball forward trying to offload, Steward is atleast ten if not fifteen metres back.

He then proceeds to charge in at speed, turn the shoulder, and clatter Keenan. Peyper highlighted it as such when he says "clear line of sight throughout"

It's so unnecessary and completely reckless. If Steward just tried to make a normal tackle (which he is allowed to do if Keenan is attempting to gain control of the ball - and is therefore in possession per the rules), or just checks his feet even a little bit, this is avoided entirely. He has enough time to react - again, Peyper highlights this "Well, you had enough time to turn your shoulder...".

If Steward had stayed committed and emptied Keenan with a legal tackle would we have been calling for a penalty and possibly more for a late tackle as the whistle had gone and the ball had obviously been knocked forward?

Yea true but winning the group isn't actually that important, cos it's France or NZ either way haha , I think we will do it mainly down to insane squad depth.

Anybody who says that was a red have never played any level of sport, Soccer GAA

What Steward did was the natural instinct for an accidental collision, bracing for an impact

You’re conflating. As per rules it’s a red.

We’re not dealing with soccer, gaa or any other sport you care to mention.

This is professional rugby, these guys train and play day in, day out to make tackles.

Steward had enough time to turn his hips and shoulders and drop his elbow into the collision. The guy has trained for years to know what to do in contact and he didn’t do it, had he gone for a tackle we wouldn’t be having this conversation but he didn’t do that. His own fault entirely.

Good lord Rugby people really are delusional

He had no forward momentum and had stopped, it was Keenan who ran into Steward

It was a natural reaction

Not delusional we know the laws unlike......

We've just won a grand slam and we're talking about something that is very polarising. Can we have a separate thread to discuss the red card?

Fairly disappointing performance. The dropped passes and errors made for hard watching as referenced by JS in his post match interview, they really made it hard for themselves. Despite that, the fact they still won and got the bonus point is impressive. I feel the red card was fair but unfortunately it's all that's being discussed online. Well done to our Grand Slam winning team. Onwards to the World Cup.

Did you enjoy the pints?

It’s a shoulder directly to the head at force. World rugby have taken a long hard look at the laws. They have also taken a long hard look at the science around brain injury too.

Indeed. I've a bit of work to do and then TV at 5 to watch the under 20s go for the grand Slam.

So that hit is legal in soccer and GAA?