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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,899 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There was a mention of him being in the North for the anniversary of the Good Friday agreement - Which is April 10th.

    The Coronation is the following month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Disappointing and shows the need for a proper left wing option in the US. Obviously won't happen in the foreseeable future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    Yup. The choices in the US are the hard right fascists (Republican Party) and the center right corportists (Democratic Party).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Until it can have electoral impact, no. The odd independent being elected doesn't count, and mea cupla, mea maxima culpa, voting for the likes of Nader was a big mistake in 2000 that I'll regret forever and led to Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    One thing I never thought I would be praising Biden for, trading commodities.

    I remember all the rancour, some of it legitimate in fairness , about using the us petroleum reserves to ease gas prices.

    Well not only did he get whatever impact it had on inflation at the time but when he released it, oild was at $100 a barrel, today I see he can refill at $67 a barrel. I haven't run the numbers but that looks like a multi billion dollar profit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭archermoo


    For more than 2 parties to be viable in the Presidential election in the US the way the US President is elected will have to change. In the current system if one candidate doesn't get 50% + 1 of the available votes from the Electoral College then Congress decides who are President and Vice President. They don't have to just get more votes than any other candidates, they have to get more than 1/2 of the available votes. There EC ballots are not ranked, and they only vote a single time. If there isn't a winner then the House of Representatives decides who is President, and each state delegation gets 1 vote between them. California has 52 members in the House, and Wyoming has 1. Both of them get a single vote if the Presidential election goes to the House.

    However changing how the President is elected would require amending the US Constitution. And that isn't going to happen with both of the major parties against it. And they will be, because the current system gives them a lot of power that they don't want to share with any other political parties. So the US is kind of stuck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The reality is the US will need oil for many more years, his plan to move to net zero was far too ambitious.

    Shame that it doesn't exist. We only have 5 years of proven reserves.

    Republicans are selling the public on a plan to stay hooked on fossil fuels up until the minute it dries up. Their other strategy - "energy dominance" involves flooding the global market with cheap US oil to disrupt OPEC+. Problem with that is its a nonviable strategy, OPEC+ has vastly more reserves, decades more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,888 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    I cant say I'm surprised this hasnt been mentioned here yet

    Hunter Biden, James Biden, Hallie Biden and an unknown fourth Biden received a total of $1.3 million in payments from accounts related to Biden family business associate Rob Walker in 2017 shortly after Walker received a $3 million wire from a Chinese energy company, House Oversight committee chairman James Comer revealed Thursday.

    Alot of answers to question and its only the beginning of them for the Oversight committee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,095 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Ah sure they are to busy focused on Trump rather then discuss Joe and the family's dodgy dealings in the Ukraine and now China!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Probably because you're in the wrong thread mate.

    Notice how your story doesn't mention the POTUS?

    Also these payments reportedly originate from the year 2017. No Biden was in civic service at the time? Former Vice President Joe Biden was a private citizen. I fail to see how this relates to the presidency, it's even years removed from his candidacy in 2020.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,888 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Its an official House Oversight committee into the Biden family and it has just begun, of course it is relevant.

    If it were into the Trump family I'm sure you wouldnt be saying the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Into the Biden family during a time when they weren't in any office or official role.

    Therefore nothing to do with the Presidency and so probably best discussed in the Hunter Biden thread, as he is the actual target of the oversight investigation, not the President or the White House.

    When Democrats gained committee chairs in the midterms 2018, they didn't investigate the Trump family for pre-presidential activity, they investigated the President for presidential activity, so your counterfactual argument is rendered moot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,888 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    No thats not true, nowhere near accurate.

    Here they were investigating Jared Kushner about a $2 billion investment by the Saudi government into a firm formed by Jared Kushner after he left the White House last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Relates to contacts Kushner made during his time as a snr white house advisor.

    So we've that you don't understand the definition of insurrection. You don't know how to use 'literally' correctly. And you don't know the difference between before and after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Wow, $2,000,000,000?

    Makes that hay about $1,000,000 seem 2000x more trivial then, doesn't it? And that's not pre-presidential activity, that's post-presidential activity 🤣

    But James Comer is suspending investigation into the $2Bn payment to go after the much older $1M payment?

    If $1M is "exorbitant" what's $2B? Comer said it is “unclear what services were provided to obtain this exorbitant amount of money.”

    “The Oversight Committee is concerned about the national security implications resulting from President Biden’s family receiving millions of dollars from foreign nationals,” the chairman said. “We will continue to follow the money trail and facts to determine if President Biden is compromised by his family’s business schemes and if there is a national security threat.” 

    But apparently zero concern when it's Jared Kushner, 2000 times more money, and Saudi foreign nationals.

    This is why I didn't even bat an eye at a million dollars. Hillary Clinton can command a $200k fee just for giving a speaking engagement. Ron DeSantis just pumped out a book and is already raked in well over a million dollars just off that - nothing about the amount is "exorbitant" in the context of politics. But 2 billion dollars, NBD?

    Search away but it's comical af to watch Republicans giving this the sinisterism of "Biden sold the nuclear launch codes for the price of a middling book deal" while simultaneously squaring that with "Jared Kushner is just ... such a genius level asset to the Saudis, this is all just capitalism as normal, no national security concerns here," etc. if all they have is the money trail and no quid pro quo or transcript etc. then I see much ado about nothing and so too will I suspect most other intelligent Americans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,888 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    So we've that you don't understand the definition of insurrection.

    Whats this grammatical error, shall I berate you for it, no I wont.

    I understand the definition of insurrection perfectly, its others interpretations of it I dont agree with.

    Heres a good article to highlight the point

    Their narrative is that what happened was (and this is shouted everywhere from Congress to cable news) the worst attack on America since 9/11, the worst thing to happen in America since the Civil War and an attempted insurrection by fascists.


    What happened on 6 January was appalling and a stain on American democracy, the fault of which can be squarely put at the door of Donald Trump for gathering a crowd after he lost the election and sending them to the Capitol. It was not, however, a fascist insurrection. The only person violently killed on the day was a female protestor shot by police. There was no scenario in which the crazily attired QAnon Shaman was going to replace Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House or declare the election results void. The House adjourned in disturbing circumstances but it re-adjourned and finished its business a few hours later. It wasn’t even close to an overthrow of the government.


    But how many people can keep both of these thoughts in their heads at once? The answer seems to be ‘vanishingly few’. It is so much easier – and grabs so much more attention – if you pretend that 6 January was a ‘fascist insurrection’ which almost saw the end of democracy in America.

    Here is the Cambridge dictionary definition of Insurrection btw

    "An organised attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence"

    Anyone who says the people on Jan 6th were trying to take control of their country is delusional.

    You don't know how to use 'literally' correctly

    I do, it was a play with words on the original post which contained the word Literal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,258 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Speaking of discussing Trump, is there any chance you might pop over to that thread to answer my question?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    There's always a bit of the 'marveling at numbers' I see in the Irish media you don't really get in the US. Someone getting a million dollars as a book advance? In Ireland, alert the media. In the US? Yawn. A big-time UK sportscaster earns 1.5 million pounds/year and everyone's sure to mention that in their attacks on him? Snore. The Fox types like Hannity earn multiples of that, Hannity earns like $45mn/year, but you don't hear anything about it.

    Biden might've earned some money, like $1million, for something something China something? How much was earned by TrumpCo in Russia? Per Eric, that's where they were getting their money (before, in theory, TFG got elected and wasn't working directly anymore for his eponymous company that he left his misbegotten spawn run. Uhuh.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "An organised attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence"

    Anyone who says the people on Jan 6th were trying to take control of their country is delusional.

    ^ That's a fallacious argument. 'Anyone who disagrees with me is a poopy faced boogernose.'

    It was organized, it was a group of people, it was violent, and the aim was to defeat their government and take control of the country, by disrupting the peaceful transition of the governments power to the incumbent executive and thereby provoke a constitutional crisis, either by intimidating Mike Pence into simply not carrying out his proscribed constitutional duty, or by delaying the proceedings past the proscribed calendar date of January 6. They were looking for any uncrossed t or undotted i to remain in power - some of those involved disrupting violently the procedure.

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    Eastman basically tried to deploy the ploy that, 'since the 2 hr debate of AZ was interrupted by a violent insurrection attempt, it is unconstitutional now for exceeding 2 hrs of debate.' Literally giving mechanism to how their violence could have potentially unfolded into a successful coup attempt for a nation of 330 million people looking on.

    Also, from the DOJ of the Oathkeepers who coordinated with Rudy Giuliani, Roger Stone and others in the Trump WH:

    The goal of this conspiracy was to prevent the execution of our laws that govern the peaceful transfer of power – striking at the very heart of our democracy.

    To borrow a fallacious phrase, you'd have to be delusional to think this was not an insurrection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,888 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,095 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Prick stereotyping Irish did the same crap last year




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I suppose he could go "Off Script" and call for his domestic terrorists and while supremacists to "Stand by". Maybe tell them they are fine people or that he loves them. or maybe rile his cult up to attempt a failed insurrection... unless you think trump didn't deviate and this was GQP policy....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,095 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Probably an ear piece to feed him the lines. But I'm tired of the fool playing the Irish stereotypes and worse that he considers himself Irish American. Americans must think we are all bumbling fools like him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,095 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Yes I did and the crew made the same excuses for him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    If we want to stop the stereotypes the first thing we can do is not do a photoshoot with him and a pint of Guinness when he is over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,888 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Ok if it was an Insurrection how many people were actually charged with Insurrection under 18 U.S.C. 2383 ???

    Insurrection is a legal term with specific elements.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,888 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Seditious Conspiracy is not Insurrection.

    Have another go at answering the question, how many people were actually charged with Insurrection under 18 U.S.C. 2383 ???

    §2383. Rebellion or Insurrection

    Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.



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