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A global recession is on the horizon - please read OP for mod warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 SEPT 23 1989
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    ……..,,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,048 Dohnjoe
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    Not in the slightest. This is just one thread out of countless similar threads on this site since the FC. They contain people who are concerned about X or Y. That's normal.

    Unfortunately they also contain individuals who are hysterical about whatever thing is happening, acting like the end of the world is coming. On repeat for the last 15 years. The alarmism is what's being addressed.

    No one is saying "everything is fine", literally no one, there's war, high inflation, post pandemic

    And likewise, the farmer down the road doesn't "know as much" as people in the industry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,048 Dohnjoe
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 BoxcarWilliam99
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 Iecrawfc
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    Yep exact same thing was said and was supposed to happen in 2008/09, the investment banks were supposed to be decoupled from deposit type banks so contagion could be contained and those investors who wanted the greater rewards from riskier investments were to be burned if their bet went wrong, of course nothing happened and the 'too big to fail' institutions will be back for a handout if it goes pear shaped again..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,016 bucketybuck
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    He is a regular crypto investor yes, his posts in the crypto forum are there for all to see.

    The relevance is because it gives context to his labelling of others as hysterical or doom-mongers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 SortingYouOut
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    I don't agree with Dohnjoe here but him being invested in crypto doesn't really play into anything here. They have always been a very cautious voice of reason on that forum too, definitely not a "crypto bro".

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 Timing belt
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    ring fencing retail banks from investment banks did happen with British banks.

    Would it prevent a run on a bank like we are seeing probably not if rising rates are the real issue as the ring fenced retail banks also hold their liquidity buffer in central banks and bonds. And will have unrealised losses on the bond book and will also have bonds that are held to maturity (HTM) where no unrecognised loss is accounted for.

    Would they be forced to sell the bonds in the HTM book and have a big loss like SVB. Highly unlikely because their deposit base is more stable and doesn’t Include wholesale deposits which are flighty. But if there was a run on the bank they would need to but we know the loss would not be as large as SVB because they will have hedged the risk.

    Are the ring fenced banks safer? Most definitely as they are protected from the investment bank making a loss and are restricted from holding derivatives except for hedging purposes. If the non ring fenced bank went under it wouldn’t bring down the ring fenced bank.

    if this keeps rumbling on with banks being shorted it is only a matter of time before attention turns to funds which in a lot of cases act like banks just without the same level of regulation. Would one or to funds going under cause an issue? Probably not but the chances of finding a systemic risk is a lot higher than in the banking sector as they only rely on their own risk models.

    Why is this important? Because the banks have exposure to funds so if a lot of funds went under at the same time banks would run into solvency issues as most of their capital would disappear quickly with the losses and you would have GFC2. In this instance the only banks that wouldn’t be directly caught up in it are the ring fenced retail banks. This is where I believe the biggest risk exists because as liquidity is pulled from the market with QT it will mean less money to invest in funds and could potentially expose a risk that the funds never considered in their models.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 Timing belt
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    The surge in interest rates changes the landscape 100%. No one is saying that’s not the case.

    depositors are not leaving small banks and going to bigger banks because of an interest rate because 99% of the time the smaller banks have a higher deposit rate for customers than the big banks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 patnor1011
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    SVB, First Republic, PACWest, Signature Bank all collapse, contagion continues. Anyone who think that money just go from small banks to the big banks and nothing much happens is a fool.

    There is a talk about $620 billion unrealized potential loss from bonds and treasuries that banks bought up during times of low-interest rates.

    Moody's cuts outlook on US banking system to negative, citing "rapidly deteriorating operating environment"




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,329 brickster69
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    Just 24 hours ago the CEO was telling the world CS has enough cash and does not need central bank support.


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,329 brickster69
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    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 BoxcarWilliam99
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    Raise interest rates to fight inflation with one hand.

    Lob trillions at the broken banking system with the other


    Nobody should be bailed out ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 PokeHerKing
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    Just reading a sky news article and the current Chairman of Credit Suisse is Axel Lehmann.. 🙃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,329 brickster69
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    I can beat that one Pokeherking. Building up some CV that lad.

    lehman.jpg


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,397 SteelyDanJalapeno
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    The COO is Irish, she came from BOI last year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 BoxcarWilliam99
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    Credit Suisse shares open 35% up after being handed tax payers money.


    Crock of a system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,329 brickster69
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    I wonder what Christine does today lads ? Difficult one, probably announce some new emergency loan fund or something for her pals.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 Jonnyc135
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    I think that book called the Fourth Turning that was published back in 1997 was not far off at all, major uncertainty and the normal joe/jane will loose faith in major institutions like banks, central banks, governments, democracy etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,329 brickster69
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    It is all just a big joke to these f***ers


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,626 Cluedo Monopoly
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    But what would you prefer?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 PokeHerKing
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    Let's see where it finishes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 Relax brah
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  • Posts: 3,755 [Deleted User]
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    Well it seems to be between having another GFC or perhaps a decade of high inflation with potentially another banking crisis at the end of that decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 BoxcarWilliam99
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    No bail outs. gamble and lose? Then you go out of business . Stop handing over taxpayers money.

    The whole system is a crock. Let it burn and overhaul



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 Timing belt
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    So they opt for crypto as an alternative but get burned by fraud there…..so have no faith in anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 Timing belt
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    Credit Swiss issue is a long running problem and no surprise the lost a load of deposits and assets under management in Q4 2022 and as a result have a cost income ratio of 120%. Yes for every 100 they make it costs 120. They have a 3 year plan to turn it around but in the meantime these losses reduce their capital and this along with the announcement of material risks in their financial reporting makes investors jumpy. Then on top of that Saudi say on live tv that they won’t invest anymore (stupid thing to do) and you have a run on the bank. Very different situation to SVB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 Jonnyc135
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    Personally I deffo wouldn't be opting for crypto



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 Timing belt
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    Neither would I but the big arguments for crypto were what you were listing. Was just pointing out that there is not much of an alternative.



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