General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

You are isolating one incident and turning it into a non-event. Then you are asking for "common sense" to be applied.

That's why there are rules. They allow for consistency and clarity across all decisions, and not the application of subjective "common sense". Not all events can be taken in isolation. e.g. Can you look at Casemiro's red card without considering what happened in the Chelsea-Leicester game? (Pereira on Joao Felix). I don't think so. Neither does ten Hag for that matter.

Also, for comparison you should see what Ronaldo got a 5 match ban for, in Spain!

You may have your rose-tinted glasses on there :) He kicks out at Trent, he pushes Trent and then he pushes the assistant referee.

He was having a very bad day at the office and it was petulant. If you did that to me in a pub I'd be having a word. (Hang on - How tall are you?)

I was asking to stick to the Bruno event instead of talking about Refs in Cork not that you can't look at other incidents...

I think it is incredibly difficult to set rules to a letter and not allow for some kind of subjective application of those rules in football. There are too many variables to take into account.

The Casemiro and Pererira tackles draw attention because of their lack of common sense application. Same ref.. He either thinks tackles like that are red card offences or he doesn't when applied to the law (now I think in the Chelsea game he was more let down by the VAR official than anything). But it has gathered attention because he seems to have shifted his view on that inside 24hrs.

You obviously feel what Bruno did was worthy of a red and a ban. I do not and I do not want to see the game descend into a place where players are being sent off for stuff without context and common sense even being considered. I think it will ruin the game long term.

If you want absolute letter of the law stuff then those laws need to air tight in how they are written. They are not, nor do I think they ever can be.

I think the answer lies more in the training of match officials - We will never cut out 100% incidents where we feel like a player should have been sent off or other similar incidents on the pitch. It isn't like goal line tech or offside tech where there is a clear line that can be drawn. But we can look for better consistency across decisions and maybe some feedback from Refs as to why they made certain calls.

Sure just in the Bruno incident that you want to get him banned for so badly, the assistant ref puts his hands on Bruno first - are we gonna start telling players a match official can touch you but you can not touch them back? You see, without context and common sense it doesn't work.

I'd have a lot more respect if Andre Marriner came out and said the Casemiro tackle is a red in his view and he missed the Pererira tackle in real time on the pitch the day before. Then we could ask the question why did VAR not ask him to review the incident. Maybe we can look at a way that teams can raise an issue for review with VAR but that would need to worked on but if it was done right it could allow Potter to ask for that to be reviewed. (not sure on this idea just spitballing).

But to be honest I'd be more interested to hear them give reasons for each of the penalty decisions they turned down in the Utd game. A little bit of accountability, if they are constantly getting decisions wrong then there needs to be consequences - just like almost any other job. When these are all kept in house it allows for things to be swept under the carpet a lot easier.

These are the things I am talking about when I ask for a common sense approach.

Exactly, it's rather simple and would easily be eradicated overnight one the refs would start handing out yellows for it just like with timewasting at the world cup.

Broadly I agree with it but it's not as easy as in rugby where almost the entire team move up and down the line.

What good is your goalkeeper captains opinion about something that happened in the opposite box.

This crowding and shouting thing definitely needs to be stopped though.

When is the appropriate time ?

If your players are constantly being kicked and dragged when is that time.

The proof is there that some refs are inconsistent or half blind to what's going on.

Players are not in constant close contact to the captain like rugby so can't just relay their problems to him and then the ref. Honestly the "why can't it be like rugby" thing is far too simplistic.

Cant agree with either paragraph. The officials miss loads and it can't all be blamed on the players. They miss so much we now have camera officials and they still miss loads.

You have never played sport if you believe that first paragraph (rugby players shout at refs all the time too)

I agree and said myself the crowding needs to stop.We already have a rule to stop it but refs won't use it.

Saying certain players have to be captain is not an easy remedy.

Crystal Palace

2010 - 2017 14 different managers

2017 - 2021 stability under Roy Hodgson

2021 - 2023 Vieira, soon to be followed by the usual manager a year churn again I expect. No names in the ring yet.

This is their 10th successive season in the top flight, but they have been in free fall since the World Cup. They should lose to Arsenal and then have two "cup finals" against Leicester City and Leeds United. That's where they'll want the new manager bounce to kick in.

On today of all days, blasphemy by Crystal Palace.

And one of them was LiverpooL!

Joke of a offside decision there against Newcastle