To Tesla or not..

This probably shows the biggest difference between Tesla and the legacy auto makers. Nissan acknowledged the issue, traced it to a particular batch of vehicles, identified the likely number affected and initiated a recall. Tesla hasnt acknowledged that there is an issue even after multiple vehicles have had steering wheels come off in brand new cars due to missing bolts, tried to charge the customer for a repair and the regulator has had to open an investigation as there has been no movement from Tesla.

Tesla has a lot of catching up to do in acknowledging and addressing safety issues promptly. This sort of minor recall is commonplace in the auto industry. It doesnt need to explode into a big news story.

Phantom braking seems to be a bit of an issue for multiple vehicle companies. Heres the Honda investigation and the Tesla one. With the current regulations these collision systems are being fitted to all new cars. By their very nature these systems need to be err on the side of caution for collision avoidance, the problems seem to be that they are being too cautious. I think Honda use mobileye so if there is an issue there then there is a massive issue as almost everyone uses mobileye. I do like their Asimov like rules for their autonomous driving.

1, Do not hit the car in front of you

2, Do not cut in recklessly

3, Right of way is given not taken

4, Be cautious in areas with limited visibility

5, If you can avoid a crash without causing another one you must.

Looks like there might be a conflict between 1 and 5 in Hondas case?

Car companies are also taking the opportunity to after market sell adaptive cruise control since they use the same forward facing radars (or cameras) that are already there for the anti collision.

I already knew you drove a BMW. You have posted about it before.

I was making a general observation about tesla fan boys. If you count yourself as one, then good for you. I hope you are not calling me an ignorant tesla basher. I'm merely quoting the facts. I followed up with links so you can research yourself. You already seemed informed, but I didnt find the report where tesla had identified affected VIN numbers and replaced cars. I assume you are not referring to the two that were reported and sent back to Tesla as those Vin numbers were read off the windscreen. If you could link that, I would appreciate it.

I also dont think its that odd that someone would post about tesla in a thread about Tesla. Sure if the OP had posted "To BMW or not" I'm sure there would be a host of posts on the shortcomings of BMW. I didnt bring up the Tesla steering wheels falling off or the Nissan one, I just added some clarification.

I neglected to mention that perhaps the difference between the Tesla and Nissan case is that Nissan detected the issue themselves prior to delivery to the customer whereas the Tesla issue resulted from customer complaint of steering wheel coming off while driving. This could explain the difference in response.

Theres no need to shout!

It was this line you said that I was interested in

"I find that strange as Tesla have already narrowed down the VIN batch and the owners received new cars"

I didnt find anything on how the VIN batch fits in? Your statement is loosely worded and is open to interpretation. Perhaps you could clarify.

I would imagine a PR department would be cheaper than 45 billion.😁

Was first brought up here followed by a post about Nissan steering wheels. What is it with moderators today casting aspersions on other posters? I suppose I could have a massive short position on tesla stock and am trying to drive the share price down through boards. You've found out my nefarious agenda.

Sure it might only be the 2 that we know about. It happened in the tesla factory when the cars were being repaired at the end of the line. I suppose when you take the robots out and give it to people to do then your gonna have issues with people not doing it right. At least in Nissans case it was detected prior to delivery. I'm sure it was hilarious for the people concerned though. I'm not sure you would be using laughing emojis had it been you.

As has already been highlighted, lots of cars get recalled for lots of reasons. No manufacturer is perfect. When issues arise they need to be dealt with promptly and effectively.

I find the Model 3 very low quality plastic on the inside of the one i drove, which for a €50k car is a bit disappointing. Musk is also the next generations Donald Trump

With that being said

• Other car manufacturers also have questionable labour and environmental practices
• Cars have better availability and more regular deliveries than other manufacturers
• Supercharger Network is a huge plus, even if it gets opened to other cars!
• Efficiency of 12-14kWh/100km being reported in a few places

On balance I'd buy as soon as one becomes available for the right price

Have a read of the article on this link

It gives a list of the Cheapest or most affordable EVs. There are a couple of noticeable ones missing such as the MG 4 and the Tesla model Y. It will give you an idea of where to start from anyway and might highlight some manufacturers that you might not have considered. Bare in mind that these are just the entry level prices, as soon as you start adding options prices can skyrocket. With cars that are close to the grant level the cost of any options could shove you over the grant limit and immediately add 5k on to the price. The long range versions of the tesla Model 3 and Y are particularly sensitive to this.

You should identify what is important to you be it range, power, efficiency, space, comfort, budget, prestige etc. Shortlist a few models, go test drive and research the crap out of them.