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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    More and more orc whingeing, the mobiks are not happy and increasingly so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    And yet still 20%+ of Ukraine is still under the Russians control despite the whole of the US and EU pumping them with weapons and money.

    Doesn't say much for the Ukrainian army?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You think they would look tiredfrom all the Russians they have to shoot every day

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Nice short summary of what happened in Vuhledar





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    Germany is never mentioned as a posssibility behind. The explosion. The following is a possibility :-

    germany , OFFICIALLY, wanted to give RU the impression that it wanted to continue trading with RU at some level. There was resistance within the German gov against the severity of the sanctions. The Ger gov decided to give a certain amount of arms and arms related equipment to Uke but over time - throughout 2022- the amount was reduced and there was no time schedule given re when supply would be transferred. There was even talk of stuff being in bad condition, less stuff available than the Ger gov originally thought available . There was a lot of ‘foot dragging’ going on which would favour Ru. So , overall, the Ger Gov wanted to give the impression to Ru that it is a very reluctant partner in the coilision of countries supporting Ukr and therefor be first in when German companies are touting for business in rebuilding Russian controlled area when the ‘war’ ends

    BUT, BUT, BUT German Gov,, deep down, probably came to the conclusion, that it has no future trading with Russia - especially in oil and gas - because (a) it now see the true Ru colours re what it is really trying to do eg conquests,- East Germany is in there as well asUkr, etc, etc.- international tentacles of an undesirable type, (b) can hold it to ransome at any time (c) now that the international community know what Ru/Putin is really about it wants nothing to do with same and Germany is of the opinion that the Int community would be ‘very unhappy’ with Germany if it continued to do business with Ru. I would fear for the Eau if that was the case.

    so, IMO , it suited Ger that the pipe was ‘decommissioned - obviously without it being fingered. It felt that it had no future going forward and Germany would doing ITS BIT’ to put real pressure on Russia and support Ukr in a very big and ongoing way and that Ru must be ‘stopped in its tracks’

    THERE IS A PRECIDENT - practiced by the cleverest of them all. Remember when Bertie told Albert that he is voting for him as presidential candidate and would even show Albert his voting paper but , behind the scenes ,Bertie was going around a number of the other eligible voters to get them to vote for Brian Lehinan - his preferred canditate



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    16 % if I remember correctly .

    An army that barely existed a few years ago is holding off the 2nd biggest military power in the world,and in a lot of cases defeating them, embarrassing them is a better word.

    Save the alternative views



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    Nah China was never in position to move on Taiwan this soon.

    If China halted a decision to invade Taiwan based on Ukraine fighting back, then that is just plain stupid. The reason Ukraine can fight is down to the size of Ukraine. The challenge for China is Taiwan being an island.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Dunno, Ukraine haven't done badly at all. They are still David to Russia's Goliath.

    The "West" delivered far more economic aid and arms into both Iraq and Afghanistan, including lots of their own soldiers to work the weapons and that did not seem to have anything like the same positive effect (as regards supporting "friendly" govts. there + maintaining them in power).

    The classes of weapons being given to Ukraine (so far) are quite limited, and there's no prospect of hordes of Western "advisors" alighting in the country to fly aircraft, drones. etc., drive tanks, or fire long range missiles at Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    A lot of the good stuff hasn't even made it to the front, and we're only scratching the surface of what will come in the future.

    A LOT of your orc friends are going to die before this is all over. Maybe you should say a few decades of the rosary for them, or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,825 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    That's some impressive mental gymnastics to put down the AFU.

    Ukraine never claimed to be a major military power; russia did. Ukraine has 28% of the population of russia. Wrap your head around those facts and try to post the same nonsense again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    Ru , because of its international /foreign/ tentacles /policy has developed ‘friendships with 2 nd and 3rd world countries. Ukr in the meantime had no such strategy. It just wanted to get on with its development since its freedom in 1991.

    i wonder of the same 2nd and 3rd world countries will still feel the same towards Ru after this Special Mission is over !?

    situations do not stay the same for ever. A change in one part of a system can have knock on effects in other parts of the system.

    As an aside re 2nd and 3rd world countries. Why are thousands of individuals from those Ru friendly countries making their way to Ru unfriendly countries?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve



    To Paraphrase The Simpsons:

    Meat Assault?

    I thought they closed that place down?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    hi MOD, should all posts relating to chips be transferred to the fish and chips thread or some other food related thread. I find all the chip posts extremely confusing eg. Unless I am really on the ball/ bright as a button I am reading on the see where fish might also get an airing



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Do you know the difference between soviet union and Russia?ill tell you,economy and politics,you will figure it out.

    At the end of the Cold War, the Soviet Bloc represented 9% of the world’s population and 10.5% of its economy, measured at purchasing-power parity (PPP). The equivalent numbers for Russia and its allies (the ‘Putin Bloc’) in 2020 are 2.5% and 3.5%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,690 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The AFU have continued to hold off a much larger force, including a multi-front assault on their own capital and despite daily carpet bombing of their positions ever since.

    The Ukrainians have not only shown themselves to be better soldiers in this fight compared to your lads, but that they are superb fighers who can use intelligence, skill and determination against their enemy.

    When the books of this war are written, there will be tales of how Ukraine went above & beyond in their fight to protect themselves, and how the Russians showed the world the decaying underbelly of thier Soviet-era war machine. There will be much to say about the Ukrainian Army, and most of that will be positive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,560 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Will there even be a Russian Federation after the Ukrainians drive the Russian army back to the internationally recognised borders?

    Putin's grasp on power looks shakier than ever and a military embarrassment this large (where most of the canon fodder has come from the provinces) on top of almost inevitable total economic collapse is surely going to lead to some member states deciding they're better off looking West towards the EU or East towards China than remaining in the Federation with a dictator who's wasted most of his military power.

    It'll be hard to feel sympathy for the Russians if/when it falls into civil war with it's various political leaders (i.e. warlords and mafiosi) slaughtering all around them in an attempt to seize control of elements of the nuclear arsenal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


    What about the guys that invented a stick that comes back to you when you throw it away? Who would have thought?

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Yes.

    The real end of this war is with the dissolution of the so called "Russian Federation". That is the only way we can have a long lasting peace in the region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If Ukraine had been given ALL that they needed earlier on, there would not be any Russians left in Ukraine now, but they're getting there. And they will not stop until each and every Russian is driven out, which will happen. Estimated 7 Russians to 1 Ukrainian being killed / injured in Bakhmut, that speaks volumes for the quality of the Ukrainian Army. Dedicated men defending their home's and family's against unwilling conscripts and criminals released from prison's? No contest. That says a lot more about the Russian Army, but nothing good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    You're comparing a 8 year war (Iraq) with a year war so far.

    US has give 110 billion and EU 40 billion, according to figures online.

    But I guess you're right, the US are expending Ukrainians rather than their own people so they're happy enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    Every man between 18-60 is fighting in Ukraine.

    Russia isn't sending every man 18-60 into Ukraine so your point is nonsense.

    Ukraine wasn't a major military power, but it's got endless supply of weapons and money from the US and EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion



    Who is "your lads" referring to? My lads are the Irish defence forces.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Russia is sending anything aged into Ukraine,even people that are disabled or not medically fit for service

    And not to mention prisoners as well

    Russia has scrapped its age limit for professional soldiers, paving the way for more civilian experts to be recruited for the Ukraine conflict.

    President Vladimir Putin has signed a law enabling people over 40 to enlist for the armed forces. They are expected to be people of normal working age.

    Previously the army had age limits of 18-40 years for Russians and 18-30 for foreigners.

    And the seperatists states have had forced mobilizations as well from any age basically up to 60 years of age



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I suppose they may get to Iraq/Afghanistan levels of expenditure (measuring costs of support in trillions) if it continues for another decade.

    I also compared what the support has achieved as well, but you ignored that part. Russia may occupy parts of the country but they look unlikely to achieve their aims here as it stands.

    Your last point is just a typical cheap shot. Russia is the one killing Ukrainians. You'd probably be wetting your pants + shrieking about WW3 and armageddon if the yanks were getting ready to send in some "advisors" (with equipment!) to put their own lives on the line for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,692 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    "Every man between 18-60 is fighting in Ukraine."

    So, do the math. Assume 50% of a population is female. So, that means at most 14% of the Russian Population numbers, of Ukrainians, is male because 1/2 of 28, is 14.

    How many of those, are aged 18-60? Generously again I'd say 1/2, as the Math is simpler. So that's 7% of the Russian Population numbers.

    So, Russia is losing to a force of (at most) 7% of their population.

    And as you're well aware, Russia's strategy is 'throw bodies at it' as it has burned through its sophisticated weapons and armour stocks.

    "Ukraine wasn't a major military power, but it's got endless supply of weapons and money from the US and EU"

    Endless? That might, MIGHT, be true now (reality begs mostly to differe) but at the beginning of the conflict, Russia with way more soldiers and armour available should have swept through to Kyiv. That hasn't happened. The military materials from the EU and elsewhere, are coming into Ukraine but obviously weren't there when the mighty Russian army showed up a year+ ago.

    No, I think what you're denying is, a force a fraction of the size of the one Russia could bring to bear, has pretty much kept them at bay except for the regions closest to Russia for more than a year, through great courage and sacrifice, knowing the alternative is disaster.


    Unless, of course, you're waiting for more Russian conscription/mobilization/kidnap-put-on-bus-and-force-to-march-into-a-bullet-storm to prove your point. Are you? Because Russia's the 2d best army in Ukraine by far. And the Ukrainians haven't got a fraction of the more powerful weapons that are coming. Imagine them with a few dozen Leopard tanks or Abrams taking a tour of Sevastopol. That's a strong possibility yet to come. Throwing bodies in front of tanks doesn't work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    With farmingquestion, I just have a mental image of some obnoxious weedy little creep (think Paul Murphy) furiously banging away on the keyboard



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thats from 2014 as well included in those 20%,last time Russia invaded

    Russia have only holds 11% from this invasion left and have made very little gains the last 7 months

    And Russia have 5-1 in manpower,5-1 in airforce,5-1 in tanks and armored vehicles,10-1 in artillery and missiles and still cant take Ukraine

    That says alot about Ukraine



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    exactly,and this continues with same tactics from Russia,they might even catch up with US ww2 losses



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


    Heard an interview by an Irish woman working in Russia. She said many Russians are in hiding to avoid the cannon fodder train. But those that go to Ukraine really believe they are fighting nazis.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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