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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    If this leak is true, really shows that Putin got carried away with how the situation would unfold


    Russian President Vladimir Putin hoped that the invasion of Ukraine in February of last year would bring NATO to heel and result in a no-fly zone declared over Poland and the Baltic states, leaked documents from the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) show.

    The leaked documents come from a source known as Wind of Change and were reportedly sent to Russian human rights activist Vladimir Osechkin, The Sun reported.

    Putin imagined that after the invasion of Ukraine, an ultimatum would be issued to the West to accept Russia’s occupation of the country and that a no-fly zone would be declared over Poland and the Baltic states.

    After that, Russia’s “nuclear triad” of land, air and submarine “would be activated”, leading to the “withdrawal of several countries from NATO” and possibly the European Union, the source said. It added that many Western countries would be so terrified that they would even accept rocket attacks on Poland or the Baltic countries.

    All of this would cause a “fundamental collapse of the West within the time allotted (by Putin) after the ultimatum was issued”. Putin expected Western countries to issue “separate appeals to Russia that they are not conducting aggressive actions against Russia and are not part of the possible war”.

    At the end of the day, Russia would regain power comparable to the former Soviet Union, which would allow Russia to take political control of a number of countries that were part of the USSR, whereas NATO as an integral structure would cease to exist.

    “It’s pretty plausible” Putin had such plans before he started the war in Ukraine, Keir Giles, a Russia expert at the foreign policy think-tank Chatham House, quoted by The Sun, has said.

    “One of the reasons why Putin’s invasion of Ukraine took so many in the West by surprise was because it made no sense – unless you were within Putin’s mind,” he added.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @Dohnjoe how wrong was he ,

    And to think people are still spouting nonsense about Ukraine and the West turning down a political solution last year,

    Putin was going to invade no matter what anyone else said .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    No .

    Currently Two Ukrainian pilots are getting simulator time to evaluate whether going forward Ukrainian pilots will be suitable for future training,

    There is plans to train some pilots in the UK only the UK has already said they won't be sending them aircraft,

    No real point training a pilot or pilots for aircraft they may never actually get to fly .



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,364 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    That's the kind of nonsense that would come from the mind of a third rate KGB agent with severe notion sickness and not a shrewd world leader.

    Checks out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    That's absolutely bonkers. If any of that is true then he was getting high on his own supply. Main-lining those crazy talk shows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    He's old, has ultimate power and locked himself away in a bunker for fear of covid.

    It's not like we don't have a long history of absolute dictators going off their rocker!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa



    British defense and security think-tank the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) conducted forensic analysis on a selection of Russian weapons captured in Ukraine, and published a report on the use of Western components in them: https://static.rusi.org/RUSI-Silicon-Lifeline-final-updated-web_1.pdf

    An excerpt:

    A total of 14 components originated from Netherlands-based manufacturers, of which 10 came from NXP Semiconductors as well as two from its former subsidiary Nexperia. Despite the low number of components in the total dataset, NXP components were present in 10 of the 27 systems analysed. Most prevalent were pressure sensors, such as the MPXV5004DP, MPXV5010DP and MPXV5010GP, which were found in the flight controllers of the KUB-BLA, the Orlan-10 and the E95M UAVs

    The data sheets for the MPXV5004DP, MPXV5010DP and MPXV5010GP pressure sensors specifically mention their use in washing machines: https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/MPX5010.pdf https://datasheet.ciiva.com/26929/mpxv5004dp-26929478.pdf

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    From this evidence alone, it's not possible to say that Russia are scavenging such sensors from washing machines, but it's clear that some of their weapons and some washing machines do share identical components.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Hang on now...

    The leaked documents come from a source known as Wind of Change and were reportedly sent to Russian human rights activist Vladimir Osechkin, The Sun reported.

    If we're going to go down that road, why not also listen to what The Sunday Sport has to offer:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Captain Mainwaring's auld shovel & Bazooka launcher! 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Looks like all those washing machine pressure sensors are out of stock at electronic suppliers Farnell & Mouser?

    Of course the chips used in domestic consumer equipment can perform many tasks, the spec sheets always have examples included. Although I don't have a clue about military equipment, it's certainly more than likely that those chips can be used in weapons manufacturing, with some quick tweaks of the circuitry using simulation software & even old fashioned breadboarding!

    MPXV5010GP Spec sheet details.

    Application Examples • Hospital Beds • HVAC • Respiratory Systems • Process Control • Washing Machine Water Level Measurement (Reference AN1950) • Ideally Suited for Microprocessor or Microcontroller-Based Systems • Appliance Liquid Level and Pressure Measurement



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    For the price of a single washing machine you can buy 10,000 of these pressure sensors. They're tiny and can be smuggled in large numbers via the postal system, in the boot of a car, in a backback. One dude could fly to China and bring back thousands in his hand luggage.

    Russia have up to 600 "ghost ships" smuggling crude oil and other exports around the world. They can evade sanctions in their sleep, because (quelle surprise) a nation of crooks are good at doing crook stuff. But somehow they can't smuggle 1 cent sensors, so they have to buy washing machines instead... If you believe that I have some magic beans to sell you.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    orc scum executing an unarmed soldier because he said something they didn't like.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Some people just aren't very good at planning for the future and thinking ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Fastpud



    For frck sake thats an image I did not need in my head ever….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I think the only relevant information is that they're using consumer grade parts. And consumer grade parts can be easily obtained and shipped to Russia from a number of countries in the Eastern Europe and Asia. So no, they aren't stealing washing machines from Ukraine to be scavenged for parts, they are stealing them because that's the kind of people they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Unfortunately, a few days ago I saw a video of Ukrainians doing the same thing to a surrendering Wagner, lying on his stomach and hands behind his head. He was asked a question, the gunman didn't like his reply and fired about the same number of rounds into his head.

    Unfortunately the majority of comments were along the lines of the Geneva convention not applying to mercenaries, so it was OK. That clip of yours shows just why it's not OK, based on the principle of do unto others...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    I wonder what the "two sides to every story" brigade make of that. Just waiting on a "fake news" rant



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Neither is justifiable. One is understandable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    I've posted nothing but pro-Ukrainian stuff on this thread, but that article about the leaked plan for NATO to collapse comes from The Sun and was published a week ago (Feb 23rd). It isn't reported on independently anywhere else that I can find, except another almost identical article from The Mirror published on the same day (which relies on The Sun article as a source).

    Personally, I'd need a better source before even beginning to contemplate its authenticity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    There used to be an embargo on western calculators going to USSR as they were being re-purposed in missile guidance systems...

    Chips are very rarely made specifically for a single purpose, as the have far higher ROI being multipurpose... I remember Furbi chipsets and PS4 chipsets being studied and tested by DARPA in military application when they appeared on the market



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    According to Putin's ex-wife Lyudmila Putina (and another witness), Putin smuggled a washing machine from East Germany back to Russia when they returned home in 1991. Maybe he has a fetish? 😋




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I'm afraid that is one of the more common misconceptions about the laws of war. Even today, the US Manual for Courts Martial explicitly states that a default defense of obedience to orders is valid.

    Folks are taking the post WW2 "crimes against humanity" trials of the German senior military leadership, who were in a position to both understand and affect the larger scheme of things, and attempting to place that burden upon low-level troops who have neither the knowledge nor authority to do anything about it.

    That's exactly what we do, for several reasons.

    1) It's good training. Most of the US military is, oddly enough, in the US. If they have to get from A to B for deployment in a crisis/war, learning how to do it 'under pressure' is not a recipe for success, there is no substitute for 'train as you fight, fight as you train.' The US defense budget is big enough that we can spend a lot of dollars to make sure we know what we're doing. It's not just the Army, it's the railroads, harbors, riverbarge operators, European highway administrators, the whole shebang. As you can imagine, it's not a simple operation.

    2) Units do not have identical equipment. If a brigade with one type of tank (say an A2v2) replaces a unit with another type of tank (eg A2v3), then they will have to relearn a few things when they get there.

    3) Ownership/Responsibility. It shouldn't happen, but it does. Put simply, folks will take less care of pooled equipment which isn't 'theirs'. You're familiar with the term 'drive it like you rented it?'. Units are not going to spend their maintenance budgets (yes, they're allocated down) on vehicles which aren't going to help their readiness indicators next year. Maintenance might be deferred at the end of the year as folks are smelling the barn and realise that it's the next unit's problem. And so on. You bring your own equipment, you are already well-motivated to make sure it works before you put it onto the ship, and you're well motivated to keep it in good condition at the end of your tour because you're bringing it back home with you.

    4) Upgrades of pre-positioned stock. It doesn't happen every rotation (and may not be happening now if the pre-positioned stock is still in use, it was pulled out last year and I don't know if it's been replaced by another set), but sometimes a unit will be instructed to leave its new equipment in storage depots in Europe and instead bring back the equipment which was pre-positioned. That way the pre-positioned stocks get returned to the US for rebuilds/improvements (or disposal, if the equipment is no longer in service).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    Good for digging the enemy out of a defensive position, no doubt.


    (I'll get my coat...)



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Not sure what they could make use of from a washing machine. Maybe if they are short of some bits of cable they could use that, but the chips themselves will be pretty useless. Possibly some generic timer chip or memory chips, but they are not going to be identifiable as coming from a washing machine if they are using them as replacements in missiles.

    Maybe there is some power control circuit that is similar to a missile system.


    It would be like claiming that you can make a chicken out of a cake, because cakes contain eggs and chickens come from eggs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The facts on the ground are that the Ukrainians have found chips from western white goods in Russian military hardware. There are also suspicious increases in sales figures of white goods to states allied with Russia.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



     The Sun itself is saying that the source of information was "Wind of Change" --> Vladimir Osechkin. That was a very active source early on in the war. Igor Sushko's twitter account used translate them and create tweet threads. I remember it subsequently came out that "Wind of Change" represented a collective of bureaucrats working in various intelligence agencies as opposed to a single person and many of them ended up fleeing Russia.

    There was always a question mark over the veracity of some of those leaks of information. Some of them seemed more plausible than other ones. Also I'm not sure how many of them are still left in Russia at this stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Trump is a moron.


    Stating the obvious I know..



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