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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,075 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The Russians probably don't see the price being as high as we do. It wouldn't surprise me if their attitude was that the deaths of convicts doesn't really count towards the overall casualty rate and that taking Bakhmut while also getting rid of many thousands of the said convicts was really killing two birds with one stone.

    In any case, if that's how long it's taken Russia to take Bakhmut, and it that's what it took in resources, then they could be fighting this war at a high rate of intensity for the next ten years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    There was a chap in Germany who had a warehouse with full of Leopard I tanks, I bet he had a few more warehouses full of surplus vehicles. As I recall he purchased the tanks for 10 thousand a piece and wants a million for each now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,742 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Wasn't that Belgium? I think some of them needed servicing and repair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,742 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Ukrainians are pulling out of Bakhmut a few km to a natural fortress of heights to the west a bit like the wicklow mountains looking down on Dublin and Bray etc. They probably have the place all tricked out with a network of fortified trenches and overlapping artillery.

    The road network west of Bakhmut is all covered by these rolling hills that are a defenders dream. Russians just broke their back trying to take the town this next stage will be a turkey shoot for the Ukrainians.

    bak eye.jpg bak sat.jpg bak topo.jpg

    DF



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's the only reason why private companies bought so much surplus vehicles only to be put into long term storage, knowing that there wasn't enough in Europe with with militaries or producer's such as Rheinmetall ,

    No one is really producing tank Hulls anymore just upgrading or building something new on old hulls



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    Might well have been, I remember he bought them from the Germans so I think I might have assumed he was German !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    This is the Tank tycoon:

    And he is Belgian and he bought then from Belgium not Germany, I got that wrong.

    https://be.linkedin.com/in/freddy-versluys-1a437611



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Leave Alan out of this. You can't be trying to grab Putin by the pussy



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,742 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I hear he's a bit of a scaredy cat? What's the chances of him turning up in Bakhmut soon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,099 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett



    Bakhmut


    Today is short.


    Hard. Very difficult.


    The situation is extremely difficult.


    The enemy continues to move north of the city, which poses a threat to our entire garrison.


    In Zabakhmutka, the squeezing of our units continues, unfortunately.


    In other places, the occupiers also climb, but receive a strong rebuff.


    Our periodic counterattacks slightly improve the tactical situation, but this does not solve the problem of the invaders breaking through from the north.


    The attacks on Khromovo and Bohdanivka intensified as much as possible.


    It is very difficult for our soldiers. Therefore, their support right now is our main duty.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,037 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well, the convict supply has dried up.... word of the high mortality rate was circulating around the prisons for one thing, and for another, the prisons were supplying labor ( for profit), so the managements were not too happy with Prigozhin either. Anyway, cannon fodder is becoming increasingly scarce. Putin recently had to draft a law that forced schools and universities to send lists of their pupils, with all their details to the local mobilization offices. In one instance, recruits at a police academy were herded into a hall, and the doors locked, while their teachers tried to force them to sign military contracts. Ironically, they had had to call the police to come and free them. At this stage, there has to be rumblings of discontent amongst the population, faint though that may be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,099 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    No need for dramatics, the Ukrainian position near Kupiansk hasn't moved in the last 4 months. Also, I see very little evidence that Russia has the ability to make a significant advance in more than one location at any given time. For most of this war, Russia has only been able to make inroads when they mass their artillery, like they have in Bakhmut. The problem is that Russian artillery can only be in any one place at a given time.

    Even if Bakhmut fell tomorrow, I don't think Kupiansk would be the main Russian priority. My guess is the next highest priority cities are Siversk, Avdiivka, or maybe Vuhledar.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Whilst I fully understand the logic in that if the vehicles are supposed to be protecting, say, Poland, they are doing that function by killing Russians in Ukraine so that they won't be able to fight in Poland, Poland's first responsibility is to itself and, the granted unlikely, possibility that the war will widen. Poland has a good-sized border with Belarus, I'll note. In any case, if the 120+ M1A1FEPs allow delivery of the PT-91 to Ukraine, which is closer to what the Ukrainians are used to anyway, whilst still being reasonable tanks, that's still an increase of tanks to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    "We are trying to stop the war but they keep attacking us" lavrov's comedy show

    Failed mugger is now being fought back

    Bakhmut has been a Russian exhauster while big training goes on with new west toys so when they enter the fight will give more mince meat of enemy think it will take 500,000 so only 350,000 to go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Strand1970


    If Ukraine don't make big gains in the spring - summer this war will grind to a stalemate over a few years. Interesting to see where they attack and how weak the Russians are on the defensive.



  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    Mixed news here…

    On the one hand it’s bizarre that the entire West can’t supply enough artillery to keep up with Russian stock piles and production. It probably explains the relatively small number of HIMARS delivered to Ukraine, it’s all the West can supply.

    On the other hand they look to be gearing up for a large counter attack, and Russia really have made little progress since Ukraine’s last lightening counter attack before the muddy season.

    Surely the West can up its game to better support Ukraine.

    Oh, as a BTW… Bakhmut still holds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭jackboy


    We have seen minor Russian victories before, followed by catastrophic defeats. No need to assume anything different this time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,508 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    There's no guarantee the Ukrainian counter attack whenever it happens will provide big results. Russia now has a lot more soldier's spread across a shorter frontline after they mobilised. You'd have to assume Russia has mined any area Ukraine is likely to attack.

    Something like the Kharkiv counter attack won't be happening again. Part of me thinks Ukraine shouldn't counter until Russia has exhausted their current attacking forces be that another month or 4.


    We'll see what happens because there's a lot of pressure on Ukraine. If they fail to liberate place's like Melitopol and Svatove this summer it will really bring into question their ability to ever push the Russians out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    When did the frontline get smaller?

    Ya'd assume Ukraine mined any area they fall back from

    Why won't the Kharkiv counter attack happen again? It's happened TWICE already and no one thought it would.

    Why shouldn't Ukraine counter? It may be in their best interest to counter to move Russians troops.

    Who is putting pressure on Ukraine? What is the significance of the summer for liberation of settlements mentioned?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,075 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The overarching Russian objective in February 2022 was to take the entire territory of Ukraine. By contrast, the overarching objective of Ukraine was to hold what is recognised to be their territory. A year on, Ukraine retains control of the vast majority of that territory. Vs. the alternative, I think Ukraine would have taken that situation. Few commentators were giving the country a chance of holding out that long.

    Not only has Ukraine held out, but they are restricting Russia to the eastern and southern oblasts and Russia show little sign of making significant headway. Still, there are those who act as if it's only a matter of time. Probably worth remembering the old quote about the victors in war not being those who can do more damage, but who is prepared to suffer more. The Ukrainians fighting for their homeland? Or Russian conscripts who will be undersupplied and have only a rote notion of why they're there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,508 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm just in a negative move lately with what's likely the fall of Bakhmut. The Eastern side is probably gone already and the north and south are Just about holding. Meanwhile Russia is pushing further West so I'm not in a positive mood right now.


    The Kharkiv offensive came from a frontline which was not sufficiently manned or prepared. The extra troops from the mobilisation hadn't been deployed.


    Russia had sent so many of it's best units to Kherson. That Luhansk front will never been undermanned again so any future breakthroughs will be much harder.


    The Kherson retreat was inevitable as Ukraine had a major advantage. Russia couldn't adequately resupply their forces across the river. Now that they've retreated that entire front line along the river is not at risk of a Ukrainian push so the frontline has been massively shortened.


    There are less place's for Ukraine to counter now. Only 2 realistic options are towards Melitopol and the Svatove/Kremina area. So the Russians will be prepared. I think the best hope is that Russia absolutely exhausts itself over the next 2/3 month's and before another mobilisation can come into effect Ukraine managed to successfully launch a big counter.


    There's so much at stake for both sides. If Russia holds they could break Ukraines ability to breakthrough but if Ukraine are successful and take a city like Melitopol they could cut off the Russians and force a retreat to Crimea. And Crimea cut off by land and bridge blown again could become a massive logistical headache for Russia to supply enough in order to defend.


    Part of me could see Ukraine retaking Crimea before Donetsk/Luhansk/Mariupol but so much needs to go right for them over the next few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Bakhmut holds,

    German tank manufacturer Rhemmeintal wants to build a new tank factory producing the lastest panther tank in Ukraine while the war is still ongoing they aren't even worried about airstrikes,

    Talking about confidence,they just need customers for their new tank to make it viable...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The first 90 US Stryker vehicles have been unloaded in Germany getting ready to be sent to Ukraine,

    Part of several hundred modern westen armored vehicles due to arrive over the next few weeks,

    Armoured bridgeing vehicles are being sent to Ukraine too ,





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It’s extremely important for Ukraine to break the Russians this year. If they don’t the west have two choices, keep supplying the current levels of weaponry and supports for an unknown long period of time, maybe decades, or let Russians win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,508 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Has anyone noticed how this "big" winter/spring offensive from Russia has taken place all along the Eastern front line from kupyansk to vuhledar?


    Why haven't the Russians be striking along the southern frontline along the Zaporozhye front? Is this the sum of their capabilities?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    "It's not who can inflict the most but who can endure the most will conquer."

    Terence macSwiney, Lord Mayor of Cork, died on hunger strike in an English jail 1920.

    Glóir do na laochra.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,075 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It strikes me that Russian methods of advancement are becoming less and less sophisticated. When they began their (official) invasion of Ukraine, they looked to be attempting something that resembled a combined arms assault, wojus as it ended up. After a period of stagnation, came the iron rain, as Russia looked set to grind their way across Ukraine by burning through their entire Cold War shell stock. That tactic has also become less and less effective. Now, their latest attempt at achieving strategic goals is to just launch pure numbers of men at the problem. What will they do, if and when Ukraine gets something that makes this not even worthwhile? The summit with China seems like it will be pivotal for Putin...



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