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rubbish cycle lanes

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  • 02-03-2023 4:54pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭


    I was taking a new route home last night and happened to go up cypress grove road - this is between KCR and templeogue. Google maps here . What an unbelievably bad design, the lane swoops in between 4 side roads, forcing you to yield at each one. I think this was put in a few years ago. There's a few new versions of this though - this one here on the grange road in rathfarnham is brand new, part of the busconnects works, that lane also forces you to to yield at the end. I particularly like the way the designers assume that anyone waiting for a bus wouldn't be on the red part of the foot path, and that taking a chicane at 25km/h with your workgear on the back would be just handy.

    What would you do on these roads - cycle on the road and get close passed/beeped out of it, or grin and bear it.

    Who could I point out the bad designs to? Who'd be interested in the moans of a cyclist? Obviously it would be great if there was a representative body who could take concerns to the council(s).



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,291 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    is the roundabout behind where the camera is pointing when you open that link, the one where a woman was killed about 5 years ago?



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭aldark


    I don't think it's that one - that was at the next roundabout up toward walkinstown (junction with whitehall road). These roundabouts take up a lot of room on the road, I noticed that a car on the main road going a bit too fast may not be able to see a slower moving cyclist coming out of the minor road. But whatever about dangerous roads, actually spending money on cycle infrastructure that's dangerous is unbelievably counter productive. To me it looks like the design is coming from the mindset of getting cyclists out of the way of cars rather than trying to sensibly integrate them, and forcing traffic to move slower.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭aldark


    Look at this one here too - again in Rathfarnham and part of the busconnects thing. You're turning right off a busy road, and almost immediately are supposed to swing left behind a bus stop. You might have a right head of speed on you from getting across the road, then sharpish left turn and trying to avoid people who may be waiting for a bus, oh and a junction a few metres after it? I don't think anyone would use this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭2011abc


    Most bike lanes are rubbish and few ‘real cyclists ‘ would use them for fear of punctures ( and constant stop/starts at junctions etc)



  • Registered Users Posts: 30 finnyob


    Honestly, if the bike lane isn't fit for purpose, I'd take the road. You can report this stuff to your local councillors, and ask that they raise it in the council meeting, better still if you have a local residents association get them to do it. Our residents association, of which I'm a committee member, generally get a good response from SDCC on local matters. There's a lot of work going on in the templeogue area as the council have budget for their safer routes to school, cypress grove road maybe doesn't factor in due to existing bike paths, however, they may be open to submissions re. improvements.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,509 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Can you route around it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 936 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    I only use cycle lanes when it suits me, which is very seldom. I don't care if motorists beep me. If they try to punishment close pass me then I'd make consequences for them when possible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭aldark


    Thanks for that, and yes, I could re-route, but if the road is nice and long with not that many traffic lights, why should I !! I'm really thinking about how active travel users - like cyclists - could help inform local authorities, TII whoever, that if you're building cycling lanes they should be thinking about their own cycle & transport guidelines - I've seen references to some kind of manual for this which is much more like the netherlands than what we'll ever have.

    I absolutely take the point that we could go and talk to local councils and neighbourhood associations. But there's a really high bar to this - you cyclists want built infrastructure to protect you from motorists - we've built it - now why don't you go and use it and stop complaining. This attitude leads to some motorists being outraged that the cyclist should be on the cycle lane etc.

    I don't think CI are into this space at all, focusing on the actual sport, so there's definitely a gap of representation here. I don't remember the busconnects project asking for submissions about cycle lane design. so how else to contribute to the discussion?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,349 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Unless it's very late at night and I know the paths will be empty I won't use an on path cycle lane like this one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,509 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    My neighbourhood. Know it well. If I'm on my own I'll take the road. With the kids I'll take the track.

    To be honest, there's no such thing as a perfect cycle lane. The drawback of this one is that it's slow going. But at least it's relatively non-hazardous, unlike the cycle lane circumventing the roundabout at the end of that road which you regularly see accidents on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭Tombo2001




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    There are two categories:

    Badly designed and badly constructed.

    Griffith Avenue is an example. They recently added on another bit (3 years into the project)....the problem is that they just put down some brown asphalt over the existing road surface. It is so damn bumpy. And meanwhile two feet to the right there is a lovely smooth road surface.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,117 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


    Speaking of rubbish cycle lanes, this newly built one looks interesting 😜



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,291 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    is that approachnig ratoath from the curragha direction?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    In Spain recently wasnt there a scandal over govt buying trains that were too wide for tunnels....

    Thats not even the width of a bike.

    And also dangerous as so close to the road - would you put a 7 year old on that.

    Would you be happy with a bus and its big massive side mirror swinging by you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,117 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


    That's right. I assume new builds are required to have cycle facilities in order to get planning permission. Quantity over quality it seems.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,291 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Yep, there's a new 'orphan' cycle lane at the new warehouse development at kilshane cross too, which is useless for cyclists turning right at the junction.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    That's some superb box-ticking work right there. "What's that Joe, we have to provide a cycle lane? No bother, leave it with me... TICK... there ya are now Joe, send that certificate off to the local authority now when ya get a chance..."



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,117 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


    Orphan's a good name for them. The unwanted red-headed-painted stepchild. Will the one on the other side of the road at Kilshane go somewhere eventually I wonder?

    I tried another Perfectly Good™ cycle lane last year leaving Dunshaughlin. It starts off OKish:

    It was somewhat segregated from the path by a kerb, had a nice surface, no yielding to entrances... Then I got to the end:

    I thought about jumping off the (non-dished) kerb to continue on straight, but ended up going into the estate a couple of hundred metres to turn around:

    They're definitely box-ticking exercises when it comes to new build integration. I doubt anyone on two wheels tested or checked the boxes though. You'd wonder what else is being built and ticked off as "good enough".



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,268 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I'm obviously not "real" either, as generally do use them. But the ceding priority really shows they designed with motorists, not cyclists, in mind. There's not even consistency within Local Authority areas in my experience either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,211 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Cycle lanes in Ireland seem to have this type of cyclist in mind:

    https://www.canstockphoto.com/mother-and-child-on-bicycle-49519176.html


    If you look at them with this image in mind, they kinda make sense. But as for the typical "Commuter" type cyclist, they are nearly always totally unsuitable. The only bike lane i can think of that is suitable for all type of cyclists is this one: https://goo.gl/maps/Dpr7BN3QofCC2SAT6



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭2011abc


    I knew the one you meant near Howth before even checking 07Lapierre! Mind you I’d still use the road there most of the time .As for the ‘real cyclist ‘ thing , as this thread is in the Sports section I assumed it was more aimed at ‘non casual’ cyclists .I guessed the majority of posters were racers, MTB-ers, sportivers (Although I’m barely coming to terms with those guys and the fact that there are now double digit numbers of female cyclists in the country !) bike mechanics etc etc ….Apologies for being a dinosaur floundering in an alien world of €10k cargo bikes and €18k Colnago’s .One of the saddest sights is a mother struggling to carry her kid/s on a bike when you know she would be in a car if she could afford it .Anyway Steel is real , bring back the toe strap etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭OKDublin


    They need to do some user research first and get out on bikes and experience cyclists pain points before being let anywhere near designing them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭OKDublin


    You could try @ibikedublin or Dublin Cycling Campaign.



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭vintcerf


    from thread on Dublin reddit posted yesterday





  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,291 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    What is it? Or why does it need to be there?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,865 ✭✭✭cletus


    Looks like an electrical junction box of some sort. Probably linked to the ones beside the path.


    Most likely there before the cycle lane went in, and instead of moving it while doing the rest of the work, the lads put bollards around it and said "be grand"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭saccades


    Cycling Ireland, helping anyone who isn't a road racer?



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