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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Posts: 85 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Finlay our of the 6N. No more info. Hopefully his knee just needs a few weeks of rehab and he'll be back for some of our run in. 🤞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Always thought Illo was never given the proper opportunity. Think he is simply excellent. I hope he gets his chance now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭kita99


    100% agree.

    And I hope him to starti in next match aginst Dragons. Also possible Boyle at NO8.And Prendargust and Blade are released from Ireland.I expect that both appear. Never three openside flunkers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭FACECUTTR




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭MarinersBlues


    Does anyone know what the story is with SOB at Exeter. I see he has only played 11 games for them.


    Is there any chance he could come back?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    Certainly not, we have Aki, Daly, Hawkshaw, Forde and Devine primarily 12, we don't want to move players out of position when we have big needs elsewhere (8 and 10 above all)



  • Posts: 85 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He has to compete with Slade, Devoto (if he's ever fit), Kata, Whitten, and O'Loughlin for a centre spot. When they get deeper into the squad O'Loughlin is a better 23rd man than him too given the positions he covers.

    I don't think there's enough evidence that he's a player we need to invest in right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    Sh**, 2 hookers out, 1 barely back.. Byrne out until Glasgow final game

    Hope Boyle, Hawkshaw, and Dowling are there (1st 2 should, on the training pics)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    I'd go with

    Dooley

    DTM

    Aungier

    Murray

    Murphy

    Prendergast

    SHL

    Boyle

    Blade

    Carty

    Forde

    Farrell

    Porch

    Wootton

    TOH


    Buckley

    Heff

    Illo

    D.Murray

    Oliver/Butler

    Marmion

    Hawkshaw (10/12)

    Kilgallen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭KBurke85




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    Ralston injured too...

    McNulty 23 the last option before looking for Academy options (O'Conor mainly)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Zeugnis




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    The final player who has any professional rugby under his belt in such a crucial game I should have said

    Basically the same



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,435 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭FACECUTTR


    What an amazing player he has been for Connacht. How many times he held the ball up over the try line, it was like a super power he had. Pity he didn't sign on but if the contract length wasn't long enough then why would he stay. At least he will get a good pay day out of Bristol. Good luck and thank you Keiran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    One of the greatest players in Connacht history. Won’t forget him puking fifteen minutes before Toulouse game when there was a virus rampant in squad and still playing, summed him up, tough to the last.

    Never let Ireland down either, think it was against Australia he had to play a half on the wing, put in big hits on guys twice his size. Superb in wins against New Zealand and England, wrongly not brought to RWC 2019.

    Pretty shameful if he is leaving over contract length and embarrassing for whoever made that decision.

    He will be excellent for Bristol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Always had huge time for Marms. A fantastic servant for Connacht. Happened to be up around the players changing area recently and he came out and said thanks for coming without knowing me whatsoever before heading into the pitch.

    He was so badly treated by Joe Schmidt with his 2 minute cameo's. And more recently his treatment by Connacht seemed to undervalue him.

    So onwards and upwards Kieran. Thanks for everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    I'm very unhappy about this decision. Marms has been a rock for us and is playing great rugby. Like everyone else, I hope he got a bag of gold for signing with Bristol. Although he arguably deserved more at international level, he was part of the 2016 Pro12 winning team and the starting nine in the historic 2018 victory over the ABs. Stories to tell kida and grandkids. Maith thú!



  • Posts: 85 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I reckon the branch were a in a bit of a pickle with this one. We have two experienced top quality senior scrum halves, Colm Reilly already coming through, and the promise of Matthew Devine in the academy. If Marmion was signed on the kind of two year deal that would keep him at Connacht we'd tie up some of a very tight budget and block that pathway. Blade is three years younger, clearly ahead in the eyes of Connacht / Ireland coaches, and has far fewer hard minutes on the clock too. I'm disappointed we can't keep him but I think this will come down to balancing one scrum half versus retaining two or three younger players in other positions.

    Best of luck to Kieran. I hope he has two good contracts left in him, and if he ends up at Bristol as rumoured he won't be too far down the road from where he grew up in the Brecon Beacons. I presume he still has family there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    I just compare Casey to Blade. When Murray came on against Italy there was stability. When Marmion came on against Zebre there was stability. I have never been a Conor Murray fan but when your designated first scrum half simply creates mayhem you need stability to fall back on. And time and again that is what Marms has done.

    I am so sick of the 9 and 10 rubbish we produce week in and week out when the rest of our team are so talented



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,873 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Bristol would be wise to take Shane Delahunt as well, he and Marmion have an almost telepathic understanding, and create an absurd amount of clean breaks around the fringes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    I don't really see it like this at all to be honest. Two top class 9s should be the aim not a pickle.

    Devine has two years left in the academy I think? Every other province will have at least three senior 9s on their books at the start of next season, indeed they all have four currently even Ulster who don't have a regular 9 in the Irish Squad.

    I would be fairly shocked if Connacht start next season with just two senior 9s and a second year academy guy. I expect a 9 to join but inevitably it won’t be a player with the ability of Marmion, so all that has happened here is Connacht will have significantly weakened their squad in one position at a lesser cost because they/the Irfu were unwilling to give Marmion a two year deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    You can quote me on this but Blade will never get more than a few shirts for Ireland. And even the Irish selectors seem to agree on this. It's sad that our own province is unable to see the issue. I guess when your 10 has been so much muck it covers up how muck your 9 is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭kita99


    Marmion.He is real professional rugby player. Thank you for your service for fans in such a long time,and good luck. No other word I have.



  • Posts: 85 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I completely agree with you that we'll be weakened at scrum half. If were my money I'd wanted to have renewed Marmion but I see zero signs coming out of the branch that there was budget there to do very much this Summer, and we'll have another big batch of players needing contract upgrades next Summer. My expectation is that we'll be slimming down our squad, concentrating on renewing a load of promising lads, and hoping to maybe get one or two signings we really need. We've yet to see much movement on either playing or coaching recruitment. Our main incoming signing so far was announced last Summer and has had two shoulder injuries and a shoulder surgery since then.

    I don't particularly like it but that's where the books have balanced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,873 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    It's hard to comment from the outside without knowing our budget but I'd imagine it's hard to justify paying two international salaries in one low attrition position. A downside of having such a young squad is that we will have to hand out a lot of increased salaries each renewal season, as lads establish themselves. Several are likely to start picking up caps as well so will be able to command decent salaries. I can imagine the branch are looking at having to renew the likes of Darragh Murray, Hawkshaw, and Forde next year and that has informed their decision. Also, having two high quality options at 9 has meant that we have very few development minutes to share between Reilly and Devine. At some stage we need to increase their exposure to first team rugby.

    We will likely have to replace Kieran but the new man will likely be cheaper and less of an obstacle to the young lads. However, offering a one year deal to a club legend who is still in his prime is a bit insulting. Offer a proper deal or offer nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Personally think Devine has the potential to be Irish first choice 9. He was the best 9 I have seen at u20. Marmion leaving will help aid his development.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,873 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Big weekend ahead, with most of our immediate rivals facing tricky ties. Seems to me that our most likely route to Champions Cup rugby is by finishing ahead of the Sharks, they have a tough match away at the Stormers, who could do us a big favour with a victory, preferably without allowing the Sharks a BP.



  • Posts: 85 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A huge weekend of fixtures alright. We need to get the job done in Wales. We're good enough to win with a TBP if we turn up. After that the other teams around us could leave us and the Sharks in a little space fighting for seventh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Wonder if Conor Fitz will be renewed. Would like to see Tom Daly covering both centre and out-half as he simply is not getting enough game time for his ability. Obviously we are loaded at centre so it seems like a reasonable move. Wouldn't mind seeing young Prendergast signing as outhalf for Connacht this Summer. Now that would be nice and he would get the game time



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