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Mayo GAA Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭spakman



    I read the comments below as arguments as to why Hennelly should be the number 1.

    Im not against Hennelly being number 1 if Reape's performaces arent up to scratch, but Reape has the jersey now and I see no reason to change that.

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    RH is the only current keeper that has won an all ireland medal (league) at senior level. and if i recall, he was instrumental to our success. neither Clarke nor reape have that accolade[/quote]

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    i do think reape is going well, and is a good all rounder. it would be a poor way to repay 10ish years of loyal service though.[/quote]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    I believe the first comment was a response to someone saying you don't want Hennelly when the game is in the melting pot. Hennelly has been pivotal in us winning a number of big games down the years.

    Reape has the jersey but Hennelly has been injured so surely deserves a shot when he's back fit? Would you give Tommy C and O'Hora a start or two when they're available?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭crusd


    I get the feeling Hennelly might be considering his future after this year. In his interview when the transfer to Raheny was announced it felt the the travel was getting to him after doing it since college. He may find that even with the reduced travel at the back end of the year when club is to the fore he still sees it as a slog. Makes sense to give a potential successor as much time as possible now then. I would bring Hennelly in for Monaghan as a tune up for championship



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭muddle84


    I believe that it will be no different for Hennelly than it is for O'Hora and Conroy. I fully believe that Tommy Conroy earned the bench position and the game time from performances in training and O'Hora will have to do the same. I think it will be the exact same for Hennelly now, I don't see him getting the jersey back when he returns to fitness unless he earns it on the training pitch.

    I can see both sides of the argument, but I think it's really exciting to now have another goalie that really does have the potential to challenge Hennelly for his position!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Well that goes without saying. If Hennelly is playing terribly in training then he doesn't warrant a start.

    If he's at a similar level to the last 2 seasons, he does.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭maximus15


    I'm just happy we have healthy competition for most positions now including goalkeeper. Just means each player has to fight for their place and hopefully limits complacency as season goes on .

    We have been hit hard with injuries in recent times and hopefully this year it isn't a repeat . If not we def have a panel I'd be confident that wil bring us deep into the championship again.

    Won't dare yet to get carried away but definitely optimistic on what lies ahead this year .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    im not denying he’s a good keeper all the way along but he’s made the same errors time and time again on the biggest occasion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 778 ✭✭✭GBXI


    Hennelly's kickouts are better. One of the best, if not the best, in the game. The poster above who said it's the hardest skill in the game now is right, and when the pressure is on at the end of a match to find a man against a full court press or even when there's a guy free but it's a 40m kick into nothing more than a 4foot radius, is some skill!

    Reape is doing well, good kickouts, great frees. Hennelly is better under the high ball - yes it's true - and also in shot-stopping. Mayo are blessed with keepers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Sebastian Dangerfield


    Do folks expect Cillian to be a starter once the Championship gets going? Id have expected his minutes to be getting built a little faster than they are



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭spakman




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    Hard to know where he may end up, but I think you are correct in that he'll be brought on rather than starting games. Looking at his minutes this year and he's not played a full half in any game yet.

    Against Galway - Came on as sub for James Carr on 64 Minutes

    Against Armagh - Came on as Blood Sub for James Carr on 33 minurtes, off at half time, back on again 14 minutes into second half for Jack Carney

    Against Kerry - came on as a sub for Fionn McDonagh on 51 minutes.

    Against Tyrone - came on for Aidan O'Shea on 60 minutes.

    With the form James Carr is in, Aido in the square, Ryan on frees, it's hard to see why you would change that as a starting front line unless there's an injury, and given the condensed season you'd expect that's nearly inevitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Cillian will remain on the bench imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    Interesting to watch how many of Reape's kicks have been clever movement patterns potentially straight off training drills. Have to imagine Gary Matthews is having quite an impact there the same way Donie Buckley's stamp is being seen over the defence.

    Looking forward to seeing when Robbie does get a run to see if there's any noticeable changes to his patterns there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Squatman


    no, your taking my comments out of context. in the plainest way i can put it, he has a national medal in his back pocket that says he can cope under pressure. Iv often criticised him, and rightly so, but mentioning his buckling under pressure time and time again, i dont think is really warranted.

    If you recall the disaster final, he was brought in for the replay. that should be on rochford to bear the brunt of that poor decision, not hennelly. IF you or I or anyone else was brought in, knowing youve really got to perform, and knowing youve created a rift within the team, the pressure is much much more than just losing a final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭charolais0153




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    for all the comments that people have about Robbie in that replay, there was a clear reason at the end of that drawn game for Robbie’s selection in the replay.

    If Rochford didn’t spot the issue, that would have been a failure of management.

    If he spotted the issue and failed to act on it, it would have been a failing of management.

    The decision to start Robbie in the replay was in my view 100% justified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Disagree with that. Clarke lost a few kickouts in the drawn game, so what? We had 2 weeks to work on mixing our kickouts up a bit for the replay. It wasn't a binary choice of changing the goalkeeper or do nothing! Clarke's kickouts in the 2017 final were fine by and large.

    Nothing against Robbie BTW, personally I always thought it a 50:50 call between them. However you can't change goalkeepers from game to game like a corner forward.

    That final disaster was predominantly down to management selection IMO.

    All water under the bridge now of course!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,549 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Of I remember that game Clarke had a good game. Not perfect but a fairly solid game. The information is the management was unduly influenced by a couple of players in the team from the same club.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    That’s horseshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    If you think Clarke could could have sorted his kickouts in the two weeks between those finals then you're deluded.

    Clarke was a wonderful keeper but he really struggled when kickouts became a more important part of the game towards the second half of his career.

    Hennelly is and was far better in that regard so I can completely see where the decision to start him in the replay came from. It was a big ask though asking a keeper to come in from the cold on such a big occasion.

    The decision didn't work but if I remember correctly 3-4 points came directly from poor kickouts from Clarke in the first game. Those sort of mistakes don't live as long in the memory as a mistake for a goal but they have a similar impact.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    How do people still think that really happened. At the time, I thought it was a very rash decision. But in hindsight, it was definitely worth a gamble by management. We have seen since that Hennelly continued to develop his kick-outs. David Clarke didn't or couldn't. In the past 6 or 7 years, you can't have a goalie that floats a kickout up in the air, and cannot ping the ball to a teammate without a bit of speed in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭PressRun


    All the talk in 2017 was about the perceived weakness of Clarke's kickouts. He had an unusual kicking style that was too easy to attack and it wasn't going to be fixable at that stage of his career. Everyone knew it. The management at the time made a calculation based on the stats available. Robbie has a better kickout and did in 2017 too. Obviously stats don't always align with temperament and it was ultimately too much to ask of Robbie to go into a final basically cold. They made a judgement call and it didn't work out. Another day, it might have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,892 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    What Reape has above Hennelly is a boomer of a kickout, he can hit the far 45, really important when teams go full press, Reape can kick over that press



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭crusd


    The bullsh*t being circulated by malcontents in the pub or on whatsapp was that "the management was unduly influenced by a couple of players in the team from the same club". I dont recall any "information" that backed that up though. Feel free to share however if you have some.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 778 ✭✭✭GBXI


    Fair enough. I think Hennelly is more likely to score some distance frees though - they're 50/50 efforts - but outside Reape's range. Reape's technique is very good though, very like Rory Beggan and Niall Morgan. Reape needs to learn to become really aggressive around the square. Don't worry about fouls, the ref will nearly always side with the goalie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Why was Clarke picked to play in the 2017 final if his kickouts weren't going to work vs Dublin?

    Of course there are things that could have been worked on in the 2 week. Players bunching in the middle and breaking to the wings, overloading one side of the pitch etc. God forbid the 2 O'Sheas and Parsons would take a bit of responsibility for winning the kickout too!

    Hennelly was always better at that side of the game, but bringing him in in that situation was complete madness. That's not just hindsight either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,688 ✭✭✭✭Cartman78


    Re: 2017.....I remember being in Dublin the morning of the final and the shock around the place when the news broke that Clarke was dropped.

    It's one of those margin calls that if it came off and we'd won, Rochford would have been hailed as a genius.

    A Clarke-Hennelly hybrid would be the perfect goalie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    2016 replay was the goalkeeper switch.

    For the 2017 final, against the same opposition, Clarke was picked and our kickouts didn't fall apart by any means.

    That's why I don't understand people still saying it was correct to make such a risky call for an AI final replay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭boosabum


    Worth looking at the last 20 minutes of the 2016 final, poor kick outs let Dublin get there points on the spin. Hennelly was sent out to warm up in that game. Wasn't such a big surprise Clarke was dropped. Issue for me was not subbing him on at half time in the replay as RH wasn't having the hoped for impact. Management needed the courage of their convictions either way



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,688 ✭✭✭✭Cartman78


    Cheers...all those games kinda blend into one massive trauma for me tbh 😂



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