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Eflow penalty notice - Dispute

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,130 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    They did step 1 already and it was rejected.

    Step 2. Take a day off work for a €3 issue are serious?

    It appears that in their crusade not to pay the €3 toll they have never contacted the dealer to ask them to pay.

    At this point OP either call eflow offer to pay the €3 and set up a video account, they usually wipe the additional fines if you do this, or else do as @mikeecho says and have your day in court for the principal of not paying a €3 toll. It'll cost you more than €3 with transport costs to "win".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    OP, is this the same dealership you sold your car to?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭markpb


    Maybe for one offence they don’t bother going to court but I wouldn’t rely on it. It would be an expensive mistake to find out that it’s not true.



  • Site Banned Posts: 33,931 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Strangely enough, I've never seen a person named in press reports of eFlow fines, such as this one;

    There seems to be some kind of unwritten rule that they won't be named, even though I'm presuming the people are named in Court, just like any other defendant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Yes, I read it fully.

    But now send it by post with the details again and let them know that you are willing to defend it as no court would/ could find against the op.

    Maybe also urge them to actually look at the relevant dates and that if they proceed with going to court this letter will be shown.


    My guess is someone just had a casual look and didn't do it properly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,130 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Spend an hour writing up the letter, get photocopies of the relevant documents, €1 to post it. Then take a day off work, travel to the court, eat and drink while waiting for the case to be called, hope its not adjourned.

    All to avoid paying a €3 toll. FFS



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,824 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I'm wondering why the automated systems between eflow and NDLS showed the OP's details against the trip, given that the OP didn't own the vehicle until a few days after the trip.

    Could it be that the dealer entered an incorrect month or year as the date of sale? The OP says that the documentation shows the correct date but then why would the OP be linked to the trip by an automated system? I'm assuming that the staff in eflow that reviewed the case checked who owned the car on the date and the OP showed up again (and that it wasn't a case that they didn't bother looking at the docs).

    There has to be something more at play here and not just eflow incompetence.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Lil Fred


    OP has disappeared and was likely a WUM. Prob should close this now



  • Posts: 290 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    3.10 it was, which increased by an additional 3.50 for not paying it by 8pm the next day, which again increased by an additional 46.50 for not paying that within 14 days, and an additional 116 for not paying that within 56 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Burti16


    yes the same garage. It's a VW franchise in Dublin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Burti16


    nope I'm still here and reading all the comments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,474 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    They're not going to take someone to court for one fine. I had one against me that reached a few hundred (I'd actually paid the original toll) and never heard anything after the solicitors letter, about 10 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Burti16


    that's not a 3 EUR unfortunately. There are multiple journeys plus penalty for non payment toll. Typing a solicitor grade letter is literally 2 mins with ChatGPT.



  • Posts: 290 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If the alleged journey took place on 14 July, and the date of change of ownership (C.9?) to the OP on the VLC is 22 July, then I fail to see why eFlow aren't accepting that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,790 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Just get down to the garage get hold of someone with authority show them the paperwork and they will sort it.

    Lucky for you it's a proper main dealer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,130 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    You never mentioned several journeys before. Loads of people have posted about eflow cancelling the penalties for setting up a video account.

    A solicitors letter is a letter that proves that you can pay someone to write a letter for you, it has no more authority or power than a letter that you write yourself. Who are you sending the fake letter to?

    You still haven't said if you want back to the dealer yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,108 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    OP still hasn’t mentioned the date of sale on the logbook (section C.9)

    He only stated something irrelevant such as date of first licensing

    Until OP confirms the date of sale then this whole thread is pointless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,790 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Agreed.

    OP if you really want advice give us something to work with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Burti16


    Screenshot_20230227-201958_Dropbox.jpg

    Above is copy of registration log. This is a Japanese import car and it was registered under my name on 22 July.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,824 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Am I correct in thinking that the toll was for when it was not registered in Ireland and that a few days later you became the first registered owner in Ireland?

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  • Posts: 290 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's my thinking too, but what plates could it have been on prior to the 22nd? Japanese ones? EFlow wouldn't have access to Japan's owner databases...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    The Car was first registered in Ireland on the 11th July 2022 which is before the date mentioned in the OP of the 14th July 2022

    There are 0 previous owners in Ireland, so the OP is the first owner in Ireland, the VLC posted above would indicate that the OP was the registered owner at the date of the journey, that they didn't tax it till the 22nd is irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Burti16


    I signed the purchase contract on 18th July the day after returning from a 2-week vacation and the same day my details should've been sent to public authorities.

    How could the car dealer assume I'd be the owner hence I'm being penalised for two journeys on 14 July?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,790 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    OP, have you spoken to the car dealer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    How can i prove the car is no longer mine if I need? What if someone get traffic ticket and I am held responsible?"

    It's ironic that the very thing that concerned you as a seller came back to bite you as a buyer a few days later.

    Was it a trade-in?



  • Posts: 290 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah ha. Good spot. In that case, the OP needs to get the dealer to take ownership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Arnout


    How does that work then? I have a similar looking VLC, but with the difference that I imported my car myself. I went to the VRT office on Monday 19-09-2022, got the reg number, had to wait a week before I could insure it (as the insurance companies seem to work off the same system as Cartell.ie which updates once a week on Monday) and taxed it on 27-09-2022. So those are the dates on my VLC and of course also with 0 previous owners in Ireland.


    But OP didn't import the car himself, (an employee of) the dealership did. Surely there must be some sort of record who was responsible for the car up to the moment (some time between 18 July and 22 July) the details of the OP were sent to the registration office?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Can you clarify a few dates so?

    From the other thread you had traded in your car on or before the 6th of July 2022 ?

    So at this stage that you had agreed to buy the Golf from the dealer who them proceeded to register this in your name, looks like that happened on the 11th July, a week later you collected it and signed whatever paperwork but the car was already registered in your name, they knew you were buying it because you had already traded your car in, handed the keys and VLC over.

    Perhaps it was test driven in this period by someone interested in a similar car, contact the dealer.

    Perhaps someone in the dealership took it home one night, contact the dealer.

    Maybe it was given as a courtesy car, contact the dealer.

    If you genuinely did not have the car in your possession on the dates involved the dealer is your port of call, as far as eflow are concerned you are / were the registered owner at the date of the journeys so you are liable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Burti16


    I escalated issue with the delaer. I'll see what they come back to me with



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