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Marvel Studios’ Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    Then there's an even more interesting rat doing the rounds in some car impound. What I meant wasn't that it wasn't some innate abilty, yes he contributed, but some of it was circumstance or pure fluke.

    Well, Thor's a god. Iron Man made his suit, and it was his technological advancements that led the universe to knowing that "earth was ready for a higher form of war". Cap is a living legend that's led the Avengers.

    The other two are soldiers...

    It's not a dig at Ant Man, but his stories have always been a bit more personal, and his influence in the collective movies until now have always been more of a support role. Maybe it's just his few minutes in the quantom zone that intrigues Kang, or, more likely, he's picked up a macguffin.

    I'm just saying I feel he's been very quickly thrown into the A-Team because of the changing line-up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,414 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Ant-Man films have always been awkwardly placed. The first came out just after Age of Ultron and was technically the last film of Phase 2, and the second came out after Infinity War (but was set just before it).

    While the previous films were very self-contained for the most part, the Quantum Realm became central to defeating Thanos, and is what's leading Kang into the MCU. Plus Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne are key Marvel characters who haven't really gotten a chance to shine as the films skipped over them to go with Scott. With the Quantum Realm always being central to the Ant-Man films, it does make sense that Ant-Man's role and this movie have become far more central to the overall MCU rather than being another infill movie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I know nothing about the comics (ANY of them) so I cannot comment on the importance of seeing this Quantum Realm in the movies. From what I read, it seems to be quite integral with the next MCU Phase and I'm sure it will all be explained.

    But this trailer did nothing for me. Once again: No knowledge of the comics so don't hate the ignorant :) but I enjoyed the first Ant-Man movie. Was great to watch a fun heist movie without having to know what happened in the previous 5 MCU movies or wonder how this was going to impact the NEXT 5 MCU movies. Sure, we all know how the post-credit sequence in Ant-Man 2 impacted "Endgame" now but then? Non-readers didn't.

    Plus, Michael Pena. Yay.

    Second one was not quite as good. But had its moments.

    Plus, Walton Goggins and Randal Park. Yay.

    But this looks..... Yeah, it's quite a departure from the first ones. And, with everyone in their suits and everything CGI behind .... Dare I say it's giving off a bit of a "Spy Kids" vibe?


    Plus, yeah, those trailers?


    Surely that "We both just have to lose" is the final equivalent of "Yeah? And I am Ironman" in Endgame



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    thats a great spoiler free link, thanks..

    looks like Kang and Michelle Pfieffer are worth watching...


    also, highlights that excepth for the tv shows, phase 4 movies were ryubbish..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    hope its not a mess like dr strange 2 but it sounds like it might be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    It might be because my expectations had been lowered having seen the poor reviews but that was fun. Felt like a true movie representation a more 'out there' comic book. They hit the run time right, didn't feel any of it dragged at any point and they were able to give time to certain key scenes.

    Saw it in a giant IMAX and the backdrops throughout the quantum realm were pretty stunning, though I'd be pretty confident CGI overall wont hold up as well on smaller or lower quality screens and people will be able to pick out specific scenes where there are issues. Scaling the characters growth is something it struggles with without having the anchors of real items. Also,

    to me MODOK looked off initially but I dont know how they would avoid it with that character, especially with the backstory they give him. They landed the character better than I ever thought they could in MCU, somewhere between being dangerous and what we saw in the recent cartoon while it making sense.

    Tonally it lined up well with the previous Ant-Man movies for the most part, though obviously set in much wilder surroundings so everything was bumped up a few notches. Unlike Thor 3, the comedy though not perfect had far more hits than misses. Hadn't realized a writer from Rick and Morty was involved in this but it can definitely be felt. Though it suited this movie seeing there is more involvement from them in the future Avengers movies makes me hope they leave most of this humour in the Quantum Realm.

    Jonathan Majors steals every scene he is in and confirms that the MCU is in safe hands with their big bad. I'm sure there will be plenty of spoiler discussions later about how he is used in this movie and how it impacts future stories but I think I see why and where they're going with it and it makes sense. I do wish they hadn't announced the names of the upcoming Avengers movies until after this as it took away some uncertainty but after this movie no one can argue that the MCU doesnt have a firm direction.

    FYI: There is both a mid and post credit scene. Both are well worth staying for, the middle one being key and the second one being more of a scene from a future release.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,713 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I found it fun as well, certainly on par with the 2nd film in the trilogy which I was surprised to hear got an 87% RT rating. Just goes to show how messed up that site is when one scores that and the other is scoring below 50 now.

    I can only assume Disney are no longer sending the shills crates or nice passes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    An absolute abomination of a “movie”.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,713 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Weirdly I thought Evangeline Lilly was an MVP in the film even though some reviews said she was barely in it. She was really good. Douglas was good as well when he had something to do. I preferred the Van Dyme stuff to Scott and his daughter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Your point regarding the difference in treatment in the 2nd and 3rd installments is spot on. I don't see a way you can objectively watch both and come to such widely different results.

    I'd heard before seeing it that there were negative reviews but hadn't actually read any. Taking a scan through rotten tomatoes they're really all over the place, with many contradicting each other - some it was overly edited others it was too long, some praising visuals others slating them, some saying it can easily be skipped others saying it is so important to the overarching MCU storyline that it hurt the movie. No clear themes of issues like there was with Thor 3 or Eternals.

    Suspect the knives have been sharpened for a long while for many critics and they were choosing or were told to hold off. I'm actually surprised their movies received good reviews for as long as they did, can absolutely understand them not being the cup of tea for a lot of critics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,713 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    But the weird thing is that it isn't the reputable ones with the knives out. The Guardian gave it 3 stars and seemed to enjoy it mostly. Irish Times gave it 3 stars as well.

    It's the **** sites that are slating it , and who previously ate up everything MCU, and most of them are on RT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Letterboxd reviews are all over the map, but trending positive and 30 odd movies in I can get why if even the positive thoughts are a bit shoulder -shruggy. Actual professional sites and aggregators feel like too much of a crapshoot these days.

    Fair number mention more ropey FX, which is a shame if true (subjectivity notwithstanding), cos I'd have hoped after Love and Thunder more polish was added. Will be interesting to see how this does box office wise, not least cos of the Disney+ effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    On first view in IMAX there was nothing as bad as the very low points of Thor. I'm sure there'll be plenty of questionable stills but overall it looked great - though a good chunk of Thor was good, even great parts, but it is now the poster boy for bad FX.

    Can understandably see MODOK being one element that could be cited. It was jarring with the mask off but they sort of boxed themselves in with the narrative choice and the fun element to me was worth it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Dunno where you saw Love and Thunder cos at home on Disney+ with a decent TV it was unbelievably bad for a top tier studio. The Black and White world was arresting but the rest pretty shocking in places; things like Hemdal's son's teleconference more akin to a SyFy channel show than a big studio flick.

    The MCU FX was always solid, rarely spectacular but at least felt suitably Hollywood Tier. I wonder what changed. Obviously the sweatshop stories got the headlines recently but I've wondered if Marvel changed contractors, schedules became compressed, or what changed. It's a big ask that big Hollywood Blockbusters look the part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,414 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    A bit of a mixed bag imo. Kang was undoubtedly the star of the show. There were no bad performances in the rest of the cast either. Even Corey Stoll ended up with some of the best lines and was a bit of fun. If anything, Michael Douglas was almost the weak link in the cast. He just felt a bit bored and wasn't really given a lot to work with.

    The biggest issue was that it lost what made the Ant-Man movies so great. The comedy was dialled so far back and didn't really land. The supporting cast was gone. And they lost the inventiveness of using the shrink/grow powers in the real world.

    I think it's around as good as the other Ant-Man films. A fun watch, a lot to like, but never really great in any way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,562 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Average enough i found with an ever bloated universe been bloated even more

    but did enjoy the post credit scenes even if I was confused enough for the 1st one but that 2nd one was very nice. How would Thanos fit into this and the Eternal lads must know a bit about this too

    The story was meh and with no superheros been killed meaning the bloated universe is still just that and forever expanding with yet another 'strong female warrior' in the frey

    Modok was pretty odd and forget about the comedic characters from the past movies which were never mentioned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Like most MCU, and blockbusters in general, I saw it in a giant IMAX.

    I never said L&T was perfect, your assessment actually seems pretty close to what I posted - some highs and serious low lows (your examples are what comes to mind on opposite ends of the spectrum). My original point was just that the way some people talk about the CGI in it you'd swear every scene was at that SyFy level.

    I'm obviously not a harsh rater on CGI, outside of those obvious scenes I mentioned in my OP I think the majority of it was good - which is how I rate CGI if it doesn't stand out so much as to pull me out of the movie - they are super hero blockbusters so the skeptical part of my brain is already switched off. I don't think I'd ever enjoy a movie if I picked up some of the stuff I see in complaints in threads regarding CGI (not that there is anything wrong with having that eye or focus).

    Haven't seen L&T on the small screen yet so all of that could change on my next viewing - I thought MoM was fine in that theatre and saw way more issues when I rewatched on TV. Definitely more of a drop off in CGI in phase 4, which I'd guess is more down to COVID impacting FX team capacity and late changes in plans when movies have issues. Hopefully it'll improve now with things slowing down a bit.

    Also, me having not viewed L&T again at this stage probably says it all about how I felt about the movie overall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    I'd be surprised if:

    we see much of the quantum realm folk again outside of maybe some big Endgame final battle scene of getting all the warriors together. If Ant-man and Wasp had stayed down there I'd agree it would have been a different story. No real long term bloat of note coming out of it, they just reaffirm Kang as the big bad and brought Cassie one step closer to being one of the young avenger team.

    Not sure if you've seen Loki yet but they imply that though Thanos might be stronger in a one on one fight, the Kangs technology and knowledge would wipe the floor with him. Thanos' goal was to gather infinity stones while Kang's people treat them like paper weights.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    I really went in with no expectations to this and was pleasantly surprised.

    Better than any of the phase 4 films (with the exception of spiderman), no stupid cameos or fan service of note. I'd agree the CGI was a bit ropey in places but it got in, told its story and got out while setting up Kang, which I'm presuming was the goal. Majors was excellent though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,547 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I think this is spot on. No idea why it is getting a bit of a critical kicking.

    It's not perfect, but It was really enjoyable overall. Lovely to see Pfeiffer getting something to do in one of these films as well!

    It helps that Majors is seriously good too.

    It was everything that latest thor wanted to be...but wasn't

    Modok was a nice surprise as well...ah sure he could still be alive. Bill Murray cameo was fun too. More of the jelly dude obsessed with holes would be great too. Two big post credit scenes. Loki hurrah! Love that show as well can't wait for more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭santana75


    Saw this last night and it wasn't the worst. Its very predictable and the type of movie they'd use in a screenwriting class to illustrate the definite stages of a screenplay. All the beats are there but that suits a lot of people I reckon. Paul Rudd is reliably good but all in all its a bit irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    I haven't seen it yet, as it was panned so much in the past couple of weeks, and too much green screen isn't my favourite viewing pastime... But.. Impressive numbers...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,414 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think it's the kind of film that for most MCU fans, it's going to be good-to-fine. But anyone currently having issues with the way MCU films have gone in the last few years, this isn't going to change anything.

    It's a film that just represents and exemplifies your existing opinions on the MCU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    it was a better movie than the latest Dr Strange, Thor and the Eternals movies and equal to AntMan 2 movie. Important movie to set up new phase of movies but it all seems a bit anticlimatic compared to the previous movies setting up the the Thanos showdown. I hope they never go to the quantum realm again t'is a silly place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's the vibe I'm getting. I'm tempted to see it as I've seen the previous Antman films but I'm finding it hard to care about what Marvel are doing as well. Thor was the last one I saw. I thought it was quite funny but if I didn't, it'd have been one of the worst things I've ever seen.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    I just saw it.. empty cinema at 2pm... very nice... also very cold...

    Better than what I was expecting. Majors and Pfeiffer are very good...

    Obviously too much green screen. Some animators on acid.

    Was the movie needed? No, but it was fun.

    I didn't stay for the end credit scene, I presume it is on youtube somewhere.

    The mid credit scene, what did it matter if the exile died?

    Also, when Scott was in the Quantum realm the first time, why did it only feel like a few hours to him, and it was 5 years, but for Pfeiffer, she was there for 30 years, and it felt like 30 years... Time, eh... Physics and schitt...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    On the mid credit scene - I took from it that the other Kangs have been keeping tabs on him and they were just reporting the news to the others so that they can forget about him and focus on their other plans.

    Given all the beating the audience over the head that he is dead I presume the opposite is true and he will return even more powerful down the line - in true super villain fashion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,920 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I think it was more that they (Avengers?) have killed 1 of them (one that they couldn't destroy themselves and had to resort to exile) which means the rest of them are vulnerable.

    Was also a fairly compact 2 hours.



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