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Never really appreciated how big the Su-25 is!

Nate

Not so, there have been many posters who advocate as you do or along similar lines. What tends to happen after a while though when they engage is that they turn out to be either supporters of Russian policy pretending otherwise or just haters of everything NATO or EU etc or some mixture of both. Or bots of some sort peddling disinformation and sowing doubt. There maybe the odd genuine soul but in times of crisis, there is no room for those who vacillate and wring their hands.

You haven't even made it through 2 sentences - it's not THEIR war.

Never mind the stupid, comfort-obsessed public, the intelligent people in charge understand what's at stake.

" Let's just give Putin the 2nd biggest country in Europe and hope he dies before he wants another one "

Maybe this episode in history will become known as "The Stand".

Ukrainians are bravely dying in their thousands and you're more concerned with holidays and makeovers.

This endless nonsense of hi-tech secrets in US equipment falling into enemy hands as an excuse to not field systems in this conflict is tiresome. There aren't a lot of secrets the Chinese, and one should probably include the Orcs here, don't already have.

Lets start with the big one's, the ultra secret F-35 and F-22: A Chinese businessman was arrested in Canada for running a hacking operation that penetrated Boeing's computer network and accessed a lot, including the entire plans for the C-17, F-35 and F-22, and one should suspect a lot more than just those. As a result, the Chinese Y-20 is basically a C-17 Globemaster.

Chinese hackers have also broken into BAE systems and compromised a vast amount of their systems; they have hacked US naval contractors, gaining access to super secret underwater warfare secrets that haven't even been fielded or announced yet.

After the Iranian revolution, the Iranians ended up with multiple F-14s and of course their radars and the very capable Phoenix missiles.

So no secrets left on those.

The RQ-170 stealth drone is thought to contain advanced IR optics as well as an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar. The Iranian's managed to spoof the GPS of one and landed it intact. No more secrets there.

Possibly worse, the Iranians shot down am RQ-4 Global Hawk, which has very advanced radars and these have been used almost non-stop to observe the entire region of this conflict. And having shot it down they recovered the wreckage. It would be wise to conclude there are no secrets left on that and it's radars and IR sensors.

In addition to this, the US has lost several other ground attack drones.

And to top it all off, the Chinese hacked the crown jewels of US and global cybersecurity - RSA - allowing them to access so much I'm not going to attempt to go into it, aside from just mentioning Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin.

There are no secrets left, basically.

The US uses secrets as an excuse to not do things, like supplying un neutered Gay Eagles, but it's just a game - having lost the RQ-170, RQ-4, RQ-9 drones and others, the bottom tier RQ-1 Gay Eagle doesn't have any secrets.

I can guarantee you that worrying about 'secrets' in the 30-40 year old radars on US fighter jets that have been mentioned for possible supply to Ukraine is risible, a complete joke, in light of seemingly every major US and Uk defence contractors being comprehensively infiltrated and compromised to the gills.

Well that was a little different. The Americans didn't leave Vietnam for a number of years after Tet, which was tactically a disaster for the communists, but strategically a victory because it turned public opinion in the US against the war. There was a peace deal when the Americans left but the North broke it and rolled down south to collect the win a couple of years earlier than agreed. Washington had threatened renewed bombing if that happened, but when push came to shove there was no stomach for it.

I'll second that. My brother lives nearby in Newbridge and we've gone a couple of times when visiting at the weekend to find the place closed.

I got up close to an Su-25 Frogfoot at Farnborough and was almost shocked at the poor finish. Some of the skin sections near the tail were riveted in such a way that their edges actually formed an angle relative to each other instead of the parallel lines one would expect. Princess Leia's line on first sighting the Millenium Falcom came to mind. Despite the lack of finish, however, the other impression it gave was of great toughness - an aircraft that could soak up a fair bit of punishment.

It gave a very agricultural impression and you sould readily believe that this was from the same country that gave the world the An-2 which is what you would get if a biplane and a bus had a baby together. Another aircraft known for it's toughness, the emergency landing procure for the "Annushka" goes something like this:

1. Pull pack on the stick and keep it there.
2. You will crash more or less level at about 30 knots and stand a good chance of surviving.
3. Er...
4. ..that's it.

As some character in a Tom Clancy novel said, "The Russians have their own way of doing things."

Setec Astronomy

First thing that popped into my head!

Off topic, but here's the cockpit of one of Australia's F-111s I got to lean into once;

Not Agricultural. I have flown a glider called a Bergfalke. I believe it dates to the early 1950's. Basicaly a tubular steel frame covered in doped fabric. It was drafty and a bit chilly at altitude and definitely agricultural.

The Pick up. The multifunctional tool of the world.

The biggest problem with the j20 is it's been detected by 4th generation aircraft radars,

Which makes it alot less of a threat compared to the F22 and F35 and whats coming next in the B21 raider and NGAD fighter

A more 'official' version of the mobilisation efforts I mentioned earlier.