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@cnocbui I think your taking an opinion of one pilot/commander and applying it across the boards ,

A limited number of Ukrainan pilots have in the US along side US aircraft,

The Ukrainan only have a few qualified mig29 pilots and they already lost a few of them,

For instance the UK has a number of typhoon aircraft in storage,those are used for spares and canibalisaton to keep their operational aircraft flying,you give 30 modern aircraft away you then have to take a similar number of aircraft out of service to cover that loss which in turn reduces their cover by 60 aircraft,of which they barely have 100 flying operations and aircover over the UK ,

None of this is as simple as your making it out to be ,

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/will-the-uk-send-combat-aircraft-to-ukraine/

It was reported earlier that the Chinese would be submitting a plan to end the war in Ukraine around March.

That's nice of them,

Wonder if it involves putting Chinese peace keepers in occupied territory of Ukraine

Guessing their "peace plan" regarding Ukraine will largely leave Ukraine out of the discussion and carve up the S and E Ukraine for the Russians minus a little bit for "compromise". Russia will feign interest, Ukraine will rightfully say "not a chance", Chinese will walk away with the optics that Ukraine don't want peace.

There is also other reason such as the typhoon is geared towards low level close air support, it's also not designed for rough ground take off and landing along with the cost of maintenance and support facilities,

It's not a simple case of here 30/40 of our best aircraft go fight the Russians with them a month later the majority are lost or out of service then what, give them another similar number leaving themselves operationally screwed if anything else happens outside of Ukraine,

Several MPs have suggested gifting tranche 1 Typhoon aircraft to Ukraine.

Tranche 1 Typhoons are currently planned to go out of service in March 2025. The Ministry of Defence says withdrawing the aircraft “enables the reinvestment required” to keep the rest of the Typhoon fleet flying until tranches 2 and 3 retire in 2040.

Justin Bronk says that while at first glance it might be appealing, there are significant practical limitations with donating tranche 1 aircraft. He says Typhoon aircraft are not optimised for the low-level flying likely required in Ukraine, as they have limited abilities in attacking ground targets from the air.

Typhoon is also not designed for short-field landings on rough surfaces, meaning they would need a relatively smooth runway and require considerable maintenance and support, meaning any base could become an easy target for Russian missiles..

The offer to train Ukrainian pilots has drawn attention to long-standing issues with fighter jet pilots in the UK.

In 2019, the National Audit Office found students taking longer than expected to complete training; fast-jet pilots took an average of 7.1 years to be trained rather than the Ministry of Defence’s optimum time of 3.9 years.

When he first became Defence Secretary in 2019, Ben Wallace told the Chief of the Air Staff his number one priority was to improve the fighter jet training pipeline: “there is no point in buying planes if there is no one to fly them. It is incredibly important that we get those pilots.”

More on Poland and their mig29s we will send ours only as part of a coalition of aircraft but we won't be sending out F16s ...

But only as long they are older Soviet aircraft,

Nobody is giving up F16s , Typhoons ,or F18s .

Holland had 24 f16s in total but it's been suggested they pony up these, where is the rest coming from and why would the get rid of their only fighter jet leaving with F35s which aren't dogfighters

I suggested weeks ago that even if countries didn't want to supply fighters, they should at least start training Ukrainian pilots on them, in case it was realised they needed them in a hurry.

Ukraine should try a different tactic. Offer to buy Australias 46 F-18s, then start asking for financial assitance to help with the purchase.

Lol

Being there is zero discussion anywhere else out side of this thread,I think it's safe to say that there isn't 40+ F18s sitting there waiting to be flown to Ukraine,

America has a fleet of migs and other SU 4th generation fighters flying as part of the US Airforce yet Mention of these either,

The British have more or less ruled out any of their aircraft going and pretty much everyone outside of Poland (mig29s) has rules out jets for Ukraine,

Chances are even if the war ended in the next 6 months they would be waiting a long time to purchase new aircraft from America or the EU

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mig29s are a great jet for their needs in fairness

The rest of us have a problem?

Putin is not Hitler?

The West is in the wrong here???

What absolute sh1te are you typing about.

Morally impoverished land-grabbers.

That is what Regan promised Gorbechev. Gorbechev was a Communist (which I am not) but he was also a good and a very honourable man. He was certainly a reformer. I remember those days because the old hostility seemed to fade away and the pervasive fear we lived with was suddenly lifted. It was like we could all breath easily for the first time in our lives. Not only that but the serious, stoic Russians we would see in the olympics started smiling! East and west began talking in friendly terms. I remember those days fondly. I think the Cold war suited some people here in the west. I think it was agent M, in one of the Daniel Craig James Bonds who said "I miss the Cold war." Agent M may be ficticious but her sentiment wasn`t.