Russia - threadbanned users in OP

jmreire · 16-02-2023 11:37PM

True, mercenaries are not covered by the Conventions except if they are wounded or sick. And they have to be treated humanely at all times.

saabsaab · 16-02-2023 11:38PM

Meanwhile Russia is getting 'new' tanks.

'The Russian ministry of defense has acquired thirty old T-34 tanks sparking speculation the Soviet medium tank that was introduced in 1940 could soon be reintroduced to the battlefields of Ukraine. Putin's military has been faced with the challenge of fielding tanks able to compete with the modern armour soon to be supplied to Ukraine such as the US Abrams and the British Challenger 2'

Gatling · 17-02-2023 12:04AM

Wagner forces begging for supplies after being cut off from Russian military supplies 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Bakhmut holds I'd be asking for refunds on those crystal balls lads ....

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1626260315166892033?s=20

Danzy · 17-02-2023 12:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120250970#Comment_120250970

The finest of Emperor Augustine's legions are being readied as well.

josip · 17-02-2023 12:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120250970#Comment_120250970

Very hard to get out of allegedly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6xvg5iJ4Zk&t=194s

Bitcoin · 17-02-2023 12:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120246896#Comment_120246896

You are commenting on one heavily edited video and are using that as a basis for an argument. Very flimsy.

The documented losses of the orcs in men and tanks are staggering since day 1. Yet despite all this, none of the experts predicted an orc collapse at Kherson or Kharkiv.

I don't know what war you're watching, but we've seen for several weeks now the orcs have been throwing all the freshly conscripted mobiks and convicts and have made a few km's of ground at very best.

It's clear Ukraine are biding their time here. They will counter attack. It will cause another orc collapse. Supposed "experts" like yourself will have to pick your jaws up off the floor for the third time.

Ukraine is winning, if you want to fall for the orc propaganda that the orcs know what they are doing, then have at it, but be prepared to be humiliated.

Gatling · 17-02-2023 12:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251104#Comment_120251104

Remember it's all propaganda that they don't have proper gear,the orc's get the best of everything according to some

Gatling · 17-02-2023 12:42AM

Remember how we were told by some that sanctions weren't working and the ruble was doing fine ,

Watch this space,banks are already asking the government to allow an increase in foreign currency allowed to be held by Banks not by 10% but 10 fold increases in foreign currencies

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1626264280797519875?s=20

Bitcoin · 17-02-2023 12:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251040#Comment_120251040

You are correct. Bakhmut WILL hold.

I have been watching these supposed claims of orc artillery superiority since Summer.

When things were bad it was 10:1 in favour of the orcs.

Then in Autumn it was 5:1 in favour of the orcs.

Over Christmas I saw reports of 3:1 in favour of the orcs.

Now I am seeing some reports that it's 1:1.

https://twitter.com/CasualArtyFan/status/1625266849993695238

@Manic Moran seems to think it's Ukraine that has the problem though.

He's wrong. There is only one side losing here.

Electric Gypsy · 17-02-2023 12:57AM

How much of the Russian population really support Putin though? A few weeks ago I was listening to prof Noah Buckley from Trinity being interviewed by Pat Kenny. Bizarrely, he claimed not only that the general Russian population supported Putin, but that they supported him 'because' of the war! This all surprises me considering I've heard a lot about the various protests in Russia that we heard about last year. When Pat asked the question of whether someone from Putin's inner circle might turn against him, his response was that it definitely wouldn't be happening because Putin has eliminated everyone that could either be popular, or form a threat against him. Although that may be true, you'd be hoping Putin's recent behaviour would cause him to have new enemies... and I think that's what Pat was getting at.

This professor also claimed (without question from Pat) that another reason why the Russian people like Putin is because he's grown the economy over the last 20 years. I don't know much about the history of the Russian economy, but has he grown the economy? I'd have thought that anyone else elected instead of Putin would have tried to integrate Russia with the rest of the world, thus making it more wealthy. Hasn't Putin shrunk the economy?

threeball · 17-02-2023 01:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120249478#Comment_120249478

Agree to restart buying their gas off them as long as its pumped through Ukraine. We'll pay a set rate but 40% goes in reparations to Ukraine until a set value of X trillion is met. The 40% will be paid by the EU countries direct to Ukraine.

Kill two birds with one stone whilst avoiding a Germany after WW1 scenario.

Danzy · 17-02-2023 01:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251104#Comment_120251104

They are, they are well used to the cold, if they had even had a command structure that provided them shi7 clothes they would have everything east of the Dneiper now

Danzy · 17-02-2023 01:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251154#Comment_120251154

There are reasonable questions that holding Bakhmut is not strategically sound now.

Gatling · 17-02-2023 01:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251203#Comment_120251203

But the Ukrainans have stabilized bakhmut for most part,and Wagner forces are running into difficulties which they didn't forsee ,they didn't take bakhmut and now they seem to have been cut lose from the Russian military altogether,we will see the Ukrainans pushing out knowing that whats Infront of them is a limited force with limited supplies,why would the Ukrainans fall back now ,they took the best and worse Russia could throw at them and yet they still hold been bakhmut despite it being under siege for over 6 months now

Bitcoin · 17-02-2023 01:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251203#Comment_120251203

Really?

There are a lot of good reasons to make the orcs fight for it.

Most of the convicts have now been exhausted, the orcs have set themselves a timetable to take the city by (March 31st), and they're now throwing their reconstituted elite VDV men at it.

Artificial timelines with your best remaining troops in frontal attacks against prepared defenses. It's a recipe for disaster for the orcs.

Manic Moran · 17-02-2023 01:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251154#Comment_120251154

You are failing in some basic reading and/or logic here, but I’m patient so I’ll try again. The problems the Russian military is having are not relevant to the problems that the Ukrainian military is having beyond the fact that the Russian problems are sufficiently comprehensive that the Ukrainians are still able to hold despite their own issues.

It is obvious by Ukraine’s own admission that they need improvements in equipment, ammunition and training. The West is providing it. The video provides a case study as to why.

You don’t send single tanks to do a job if you have a choice in the matter. It’s something I have a smidgen of experience in, trust me on this. Doing so is indication of an issue which the collective West is trying to help redress.

cnocbui · 17-02-2023 01:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251203#Comment_120251203

Please explain the logic of giving up Bakhmut. Why do the Orcs then suddenly give up their aim to take all of Donetsk, put the tea on, put their feet up and cease advancing to take the pressure ofF you so you can relax and conserve your resources for the big offensive?

It's a fairy story and I am concerned the US is trying so hard to sell this nonsense. Ukraine have it sussed.

Manic Moran · 17-02-2023 01:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120250962#Comment_120250962

If they are Russian, they are covered as combatants be they healthy, sick or wounded. I covered both the Geneva Convention and UN treaty in an earlier post.

17-02-2023 02:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251242#Comment_120251242

One question that could be asked, is the defense of Bakhmut (or any particular location for that matter) putting pressure on Ukraine’s efforts to create an adequate reserve for a future counter offensive? If it is, do you withdraw in that case?

Curious_Case · 17-02-2023 03:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251325#Comment_120251325

I think it's keeping the Russians busy while the Ukrainians strengthen themselves.

The Ukrainians could probably concentrate their forces more and run Wagner out of Bakhmut but the Russians might find something more damaging to do then. In fact, letting Wagner gain a little may have kept them engaged way longer than was "healthy" for them.

RoyalCelt · 17-02-2023 04:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251329#Comment_120251329

For sure they thought it was about to become another Severdonetsk when Soledar fell and they started making gains but now it's looking like Bakhmut will make it to Match without changing hands.

These failed attempts at making gains could be the straw that break's the camels back. There's only one further step the Russians can take to hurt the Ukrainians and that's committing more of their fighter jets and helis to the front line but that won't end well for them.

Addmagnet · 17-02-2023 08:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120250798#Comment_120250798

Ooh, shades of Shakespearean Brutus and Cassius before Philippi!

Markcheese · 17-02-2023 08:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251117#Comment_120251117

It's not

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251154#Comment_120251154

Are you having an argument with your self in all this ?

Which is grand i don't mind ,

I'm just failing to see what's gotten under your skin .

The guy has given his professional opinion , on short clips of videos ,

If I watch a clip of something that I have actual expertize in ( limited field ), I critique them, sometimes it's an ooh you don't wanna do that , or an ooh that's not good cos of x , occasionally it'll be ooh you can't do. Oh turn out you can

..my field isn't life or death literally - it isn't millions and millions of dollars of time and investment all concentrated in one moment , that could decide a lot more than money ..

Anyway I'd rather an honest critique than a cheerleader ,

vixdname · 17-02-2023 09:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120235004#Comment_120235004

Sweet God !!!! Theyre terrifying ----reminiscent of the gallant Roman Army marching to battle !

Markcheese · 17-02-2023 09:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251325#Comment_120251325

We've been seeing bahkmut holds for at least 4 months now , I wonder if the Ukrainians were originally planning on holding on this hard , it's not that strategically important in itself ,

But as the Russians have pushed so stupidly hard with only limited progress ( they're finally at the city) it's become a "thing " in itself , partly talismatic , but not Verdun levels , but more as a resource sponge ,it's sucking in so much Russian resources that it's blunting the spear ,

To be sure it's sucking in Ukrainian resources too - and if the artillery is 1 to 1 , then that's a lot of the limited Ukrainian artillery..Ukraine seems to be drip feeding their reinforcements in ,as needed

but the Ukrainians are apparently still holding back their reserves not committing to a front -

Field east · 17-02-2023 09:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251270#Comment_120251270

Do we know the full story here?. For example , how come that the Ukr could ‘spare’ one of their own to take a video of the one tank when he/ she could have been more usefully employed. Also the video person concentrated on the one tank all of the time and did not give us a 360 degree sweep

greenpilot · 17-02-2023 09:48AM

USAF Airforce One, travelled from Estonia enroute to Germany earlier this morning..

The 737 following at a distance is a USAF 737 support aircraft.

Currently orbiting near the Moldovan coast is a US Navy P-3 Orion ( Aries II). This SIGNIT, anti-Sub and Anti-Shipping asset is built on the old Lockheed Electra. A very old airframe supporting Gen 5 surveillance equipment. The long "tail" at the back is a Magnetic Anomaly Dectector, used in the tracking of Submarines.

greenpilot · 17-02-2023 09:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251584#Comment_120251584

P.S.

The P-3 and the C-130 E shared the same engines and props at one stage. In the 1990's, you could hear both transiting Ireland now and again with a very distinctive low, rumbling drone at around 25,000 feet.

Bass Reeves · 17-02-2023 09:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251567#Comment_120251567

He doesn't. The UA knew exactly what it was doing. The drone over head suggests they had real good intelligence on the site. Maybe the Russian troops had just moved in and the UA knew exactly what they carried into the trenches and decided to get them out before they settled in. Best time to get a rat is before he as properly found a new nest.

Manic Moran · 17-02-2023 10:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120251567#Comment_120251567

Unfortunately even if such inferences are true, they lead to other questions.

1) Good question on the drone. Trust me, you can never have too much ISR. Is the best use for an ISR asset to keep watching something you already know exists, or to keep looking for what you don't know exists, especially if you're advancing into the open? Walk the tank to the target, OK. Conduct BDA, sure. But in between the two? It's either undisciplined curiosity or the desire for propaganda video. The latter is a valid reason, but comes with risk I'm not sure I'd take. Modern combat can be very fast and very lethal, and we try very hard to train folks not to focus on "the shiny object."

2) If there were, indeed, other tanks or supporting assets, either they kept themselves out of the fight for some reason, or the tank in the video was acting stupidly. There is no need for a tank to get any closer to infantry than it has to in order to engage them. Either the tank in question had to close the distance into the open in order to see the target, in which case the implication is that any other tanks in the area could not see a target, or it needlessly put itself at risk to shoot things which could have been shot at from further away.

Don't get me wrong, everyone will make errors, even the US Army. But the simplest explanation (Occam's Razor) is that the Ukrainians sent one tank because they only had one tank available to send. It's enough to help hold the line, it's not enough for a good offensive. It matches what's happening on the ground, and what we know from Ukrainian requests to send more tanks. It matches the idea that the Ukrainians have been proving a bit more competent than the Russians. Solution: We need to send them more tanks. Which is what we're (slowly) doing.

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