Russia - threadbanned users in OP

This is just disinformation.

You made an allegation that in order to avail of Western help in reconstruction they would have to hand over all Ukrainian farmland.

This is a lie.

This allegation is utterly false. It is a Russian propaganda lie you attempt to spread on this thread in the hope you will not be challenged on this scurrilous falsehood.

There was no blatant robbery of farmland. It is the different between buying something and stealing it.

It is Russia who is stealing Ukrainian land, lives, children, property.

You throw out phrases here like "blatantly rob" and "bunch of criminals".

But when it comes to Russia invading Ukraine, executing civilians, looting Ukrainian property, you have NO WORDS.

Russia is demanding Ukrainian sovereign territory. Territory Russia acknowledged as Ukrainian sovereign territory in signed treaties.

But that doesn't make them a bunch of criminals who rob in your morally bankrupt universe?

Utterly disgraceful Russian propaganda. You are fooling no one here with this.

The criminals here are Russian. The robbers are Russian. The looters are Russian. The appropriaters are Russian. The murderers are Russian.

And you defend them with this whataboutery.

It's 30-1 if they had an RPG.

It's like the old story

'' if I had some ham I could have a ham and egg sandwich.....if I had an egg''

The chances of the Russian have an RPG at squad level is probably nearly zero.

As with Putin, that's just an associated necessity, not even worth attributing a sentiment, or even an adjective, to it.

The Ukrainian people are like no others, they constantly praise us on Facebook and admire our culture and scenery. They are extremely mannerly and particularly exceptional in that they look exactly like us in photographs and video clips. Their sense of humour is very similar to us, only the clothes and accents are different, and their accents are very pleasant to listen to. The language isn't a problem either, they are super easy to communicate with.

Sorry "Muck Potatoes", that's the way it is. And it's the same with the RUSSIAN SPEAKING UKRAINIAN REFUGEES.

I got the impression at the time that the issue was less western values (although those are still undoubtedly a factor), than grasping short-termist capitalist values. To take a country from being one where the state took care of anything to being one based on balls-to-the-wall devil-take-the-hindmost capitalism was just too much of a shock. While the west was busy counting the profits, Russians were thinking maybe the lack of freedom of political expression under communism wasn't all that bad because at least under the old system they had a job and somewhere to live. Fertile ground for the likes of Putin. And here we are.

I suppose we won't know till a long time after the fact just what the planning really is , or how detailed ,

What happens with Ukraine"s reconstruction depends , on how the war ends , and on the Ukrainian government and people .

If Russia just pulls back to it's borders ,continues to threaten invaision and continues to fire missiles to destroy key infrastructure then investment for reconstruction is going to be hard to come by , ( which is why Ukraine needs to destroy the Russian army , unfortunately I can forsee several Iraqi style "road of death " scenarios possibly in Russia itself ..

But I don't think the west really wants Russia the state to disintegrate, it's too big ,too many pieces there are 21 individual republics ,and who knows how many sub-divisions

, theyre all wary of each other, each with their own mini-putin at the helm and they're all dependant on Moscow, for everything,contact to their neighbours ,transport- imports exports,imports ,food and energy for a lot of them they'd all be there to be scooped up by China ,financially ,politically militarily..

And a lot of the boundaries/borders are set up since stalinist times to be unstable .

Making the states ungovernable without a central power to keep everything in check ..

You have to give them some upside - 'be a good boy and you'll get a lollipop'. Obviously this doesn't work with Putin and in hindsight we have been waaaay too lenient with him down the years. Possibly not surprising when you see how utterly compromised figures like Berlusconi, Trump and Schroeder are.

Again, poor comrade, you comprehension of the written english language is left wanting.

It was your statement that I said and say again...is rubbish

And then you get debunked

The problem is thousands of lives lost. All Russian money should be confiscated and used for rebuilding Ukraine.

But, for feck sake, lives are worth more than money.

This is on Russia. Solely. Shower of feckers.

Windows seems incredibly dangerous in Russia

Tease. Fingers crossed.

I have said many times that the senseless loss of life is totally on Russia, you seem to be taking what was said out of context. My comment was directed at the financial costs for reparations, as MudSpud tried to make out UKr were corrupt, I was countering so what's the problem, Russia will be paying. I don't in any way think UKr is as corrupt as MudSpud is making out, but I do think Russia will pay.