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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    Well done A, great performance and what a strong finish! Congrats



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Brilliant running A, really well deserved as so many have said. I can only echo what @ariana` said about consistency and building a great base. Now it is about not losing the run of oneself and forgetting the effort and approach that you took to get you here, something I am drilling into myself! Once again, huge congratulations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,021 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Wow A! I’ve slowly been getting through the reports on boards this week and I just love yours. What a perfectly run race. Just amazing. I’m delighted for you and love how strong you felt throughout. Those miles at the end are incredible. Good luck in Newmarket. I wish I could go but too much in this weekend.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Thanks everyone. All the comments are much appreciated.

    Cheers S. Totally agree with the line about not losing the run of myself. It's particularly appropriate right now as I plot a rough plan for the next 10-12 months. I expect (hope) I still have plenty scope for improvement by continuing with my current approach, staying consistent, and sensibly adding volume.

    Thanks K. Yeah, that feeling of strength was just amazing. I don't think I was passed in the last 8 miles of the race. Sometimes I race with a negative split in mind, but in this case the plan was for even pacing with maybe a pick up over the closing miles if it was in the legs. Completely surprised myself with just how much was in the legs.

    Newmarket is now off the cards unfortunately. Had a bit of a dose over the past few days so will give it a miss. A pity as I was looking forward to a crack at a 5k but plenty time for that next year. So this little recovery/recharge phase will be a week longer than planned - probably no harm tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Great report. Belated congrats on it and the PB. Sounds like a magical run and you judged it perfectly. Looks like conditions might be a bit dicey for Newmarket so probably that worked out for the best. You seem to be in a good place for next year. I wouldn't have any fear of you losing the head; your patience is exemplary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    5th - 11th December

    Not too much to report this week. I had got out for a few recovery miles the day after Waterford, and it was more of the same during this week, with 3 handy miles on Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. I tend not to look at the watch too much, if at all, on these runs and just run by feel. All these runs came in at 10 min/miles or thereabouts, which Tinman says is easy/very easy for me. Conditions were a bit dicey with ice and fog on a couple of the runs later in the week, so was glad they were short.

    Wanted something a bit longer on the Sunday, so headed out for a handy 8 miles. I was 4 miles in before I looked at the watch, and was surprised to see 9 min pace. Effort felt fine so took it as a sign that the legs were recovered from Waterford and feeling fresh from the light week. 20 miles for the week. Another handy week planned for this week - 20-25 miles should do the trick.

    During the week I picked up an entry for the Dungarvan 10 miler, and I was also one of the lucky ones in the Dublin Marathon lottery a few weeks ago, so the plan for next year is taking a bit of shape. After this week I'll start into the 6-week Grads Base Plan, and I'll run Dungarvan off the back of that. Will likely follow that with another HM block leading to the Limerick HM on May Bank Holiday I think. Main target (race wise) for the year is obviously Dublin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    12th - 19th December

    Another handy week as planned, which was convenient given the weather conditions. Did a couple of 4 mile recovery runs early in the week, and a pair of 3 mile recovery runs at the weekend, with the "long run" of 9 miles moved to Friday to free up the weekend. I'm really liking the GlideRides for vanilla long runs. 23 miles in total.

    It's 7 weeks until Dungarvan, so I'll start the 6-week base plan this week, and have race week be a lighter one then. I also want to sprinkle in a couple of 6-day running weeks over the next while and gradually make the 6th day the norm again.

    Mooreabbey Milers have a 1-mile race on New Year's Eve which has piqued my interest. I'll probably give it a miss, for many reasons, but it is somewhat tempting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    19th December - 1st January

    I kicked off the 6-week Grads plan. It took a bit of planning and moving runs around, but I managed to get in all the prescribed runs without too much stress over the festive period. 30.7 miles the first week, and 32.5 miles last week. I might need to slow down my Long Runs a bit - Tinman would have me running them at 9:59-9:38 but I've got into the habit of running them a bit faster than that, 9:29 and 9:14 being the avergae LR pace the last two weeks.

    Santa delivered a new HR strap so it's nice to have reliable HR data once more - my previous strap bit the dust when I was well-and-truly ambushed by two super-soaker-toting children (my own) after a run during the summer.


    2022 Review

    2022 was a good year, especially when compared to the previous 2. Aside from a 7-week injury break aound April I was able to build that much sought after consistency. Racked up 1,263 miles in the end, with almost 2/3 of that total coming from July onwards. The racing highlight was undoubtedly the WAC HM in December, which saw me set a big PB and gave me lots of confidence for 2023. I also managed to pocket my first prize money from running - winning a local "6.5km" fun run back in June. I knew I was in with a chance when I was about the only one doing a warm-up 🤣. Races are great and all, but the main satisfaction from 2022 is that I was consistent and am in good shape heading into 2023. Thanks very much for the nominations and votes for Comeback of the Year - very much appreciated!


    2023 Preview

    I've some races booked and planned for 2023 (John Treacy 10 miler, Limerick HM, DCM) and I'll add in others to suit as I go, but genuinely the main focus for 2023 is just staying consistent and continuing to progess. A 2,000 mile year should be within range if all goes to plan, and if I manage that the PB's will follow. Obviously I've targets in my head for PB's, but those are just the next nice-looking number at a particular distance (sub-20 5k, sub-70 10 miler, sub 3:30 marathon) and not something that I'm actively chasing (if that makes sense). I probably have the same supplementary goals that everyone else has at this time of year (diet, sleep, S&C, etc.) so hopefully a few improvements can be made there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    2nd - 8th January

    Monday - Progression Run Easy to MP. Last day of the Christmas break, so brought this run forward by a day to take advantage of the day off. This was the second such progression run on the plan - the first one had surprised me a touch as it turned out to be more work than I anticipated, but that was on a windy day and a lumpy route, so conditions probably made it tougher than it should have been. This time round was much more manageable - still working a bit, but not under too much pressure. I chose 8 min miles (3:30) for the MP, so worked from easy down towards that. 7.39 miles for the day.

    Tuesday - OFF. Had planned a short run, but felt crap so pushed it out until later on the week. Banking a few Monday miles gives flexibility later in the week should anything unforeseen pop up.

    Wednesday - 3 miles recovery. Feeling a good bit better, so chanced a few miles. Could have taken another day off maybe, but this was fine. Watch died during it, which had me worried as I was certain I'd charged it fully after Monday's run, but no issues since so seems like it will hang on for another while.

    Thursday - 3.5 miles recovery. 95% over whatever malaise I had - may have just been a back-to-work funk, or my body adjusting to being deprived of alcohol after the Christmas supping. Anyway, a grand trot around at 10 min miles - most of my recovery runs seem to come in around this pace - it's not something I watch really, just run at what feels like an appropriate effort.

    Friday - 50 min mix. An old grad plans favourite - 5 x (9 mins easy, 1 min hard). This was on a lumpy route. Went pretty close to a controlled flat-out for the 1 min reps. First 2 were uphill before levelling off and came in at 6:46 and 6:36 for each minute. The final hard minute reps were flatter, and came in at 5:59, 6:00 and 6:06. HR was generally back to easy levels quickly enough, which was pleasing. 6.39 miles for the day.

    Saturday - 3.3 miles recovery. Kept this nice and flat, as the midweek recovery runs had been a tad lumpier.

    Sunday - 11.5 miles Vanilla. The plan would have this the day after the 50 min mix, but this was the only real window of the weekend for something substantial so made do. Did this around Clonmel while the young lad was at a birthday party. Some of it was horrible if I'm honest - I'm lucky enough that I never need to run on concrete footpaths for too long, but there was a fair bit of concrete in the early and later stages of this one. The difference between concrete and tarmac is so noticeable to me, even for short stints. The middle portion was nice as I went up and down the Blueway - ceratinly a more pleasant experience than my last foray onto the Blueway last August in the Clonmel Half. I'm not really loving the vanilla long runs too much - they can be a bit of a mental slog compared to the endurance long runs from FRR that I had been doing for a lot of the previous 6 months. Food for thought with a long eye on marathon plans.

    35.2 miles for the week for my longest week since Waterford. Also my first six-day week in a while, although three of those were very short recovery runs. Similar mileage planned for this week, although over 5 days. I'll alternate between 5 and 6 days for a bit, before 6 days gradually becomes the norm. Halfway through the grads base plan now and getting back into a proper running routine after a lot of run-juggling over Christmas. Picked up an entry for the Limerick Half so that's firmly in the calendar now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    9th - 15th January (A week of wet and windy running. More weather than running in this update)

    Monday - Rest

    Tuesday - 55 mins moderate. This was the worst weather I'd ran in for a long time. A wind that rarely seemed to be helping and sideways rain that was straight into the eyes at times. Just miserable. Moderate pace would be 8:45-8:30, and the 6.4 miles of work all came in within the range which was pleasing despite the conditions. Effort was a bit uneven due to the conditions, but about right overall and I didn't feel like I was forcing more effort than I should have been to hit the paces. A short 0.6 miles each for warm up and cooldown made it 7.6 miles for the day. Of course the weather improved no end once I was back inside looking out at it.

    Wednesday - 4.1 miles recovery (9:52/mile). The weather was still not great for this, but a vast improvement on the previous day.

    Thursday - 5.4 miles easy (9:35/mile). Windy as hell. I got blown up a hill at one stage. The novelty of running in shite weather was really beginning to wear off now.

    Friday - 45 mins easy, 5 mins threshold, cooldown. Again, conditions were not too hectic, but at least I knew there was a bit of work coming up so that kept me focussed during the easy early miles. 7:16 was the average pace for the 5 mins threshold - it's the faster end of the range as it turns out (I'd forgotten to start the workout on the watch, and couldn't remember the precise range, but was close enough in the end). 6.6 miles for the day.

    Saturday - 11.6 miles easy (9:20/mile). Another vanilla long run that I found a bit of a mental slog. Conditions were ok - a bit of wind and a shower towards the end, but nothing terrible. Had a nice bit of climbing in the middle miles but just found it long and boring after that. I usually love my long runs so it's interesting that I've not enjoyed these last couple. Paces look a bit fast in the second half, but effort felt appropriate. Only two more long runs before Dungarvan anyway, so we'll see how those go.

    Sunday - Rest

    35.4 miles for the week. Happy with that. Looking at 38-40 miles this coming week over 6 days. Thankfully I'm currently looking out at a blue sky and calm conditions so may as well take advantage!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    16th - 22nd January

    Monday - 5.3 miles easy (9:43/mile) Feels like I've not been doing enough of these 'bread and butter' easy 5-6 mile runs recently. It's either been 7-8 mile runs with a bit of stuff, or shorter 3-4 miles recovery trots. This was a nice lunchtime out-and-back at a nice easy effort.

    Tuesday - 70 mins progression (Easy to MP) I started this at 9:45 pace with the plan to increase the pace by 15 seconds each mile until the final mile at 8 min pace. The run worked out pretty well, although the route was fairly lumpy so didn't really allow for completely even effort/splits. The last 2 miles were mainly uphill and I found these tough enough going - not sure I could have done much more at the 8 min pace by the finish. Short cool down gave 8.75 miles for the day.

    Wednesday - Rest. I normally try to take advantage of days in the office for a short flat recovery run, but had no chance this week. I did get in a bit of a walk at least. I've been trying to be consistent with a little bit of walking 4-5 days a week, although it's usually just 20-30 mins.

    Thursday - 3.21 miles easy (9:51/mile) Needed to get this one out of the way early, and it was still icy in spots. Nothing too dangerous, I just had to run on the opposite side of the road for half of it to avoid the slippy bits. Might have been the extra focus on not falling over but this felt a touch harder than it should have. Or maybe I just don't like mornings.

    Friday - 50 mins easy, 4 x 200m @ 5k effort Another early start (by my usual standards). I had physio in the afternoon and she always advises that I don't run afterwards, so had to get it out of the way beforehand. The 50 easy minutes felt like a long pre-amble as I mooched around town waiting for some brightness so I could go further afield. I'd forgotten to transfer the workout to the watch, so worked out that 200m was approx 0.12 miles and used that as a rough guide. Probably went at the reps too hard, the first one definitely, but it is tricky to zone in on 5k effort when you're not accustomed to it. Each rep lasted around 45-47 seconds, with paces being 6:27, 6:06, 6:12, 6:11. Funny how the first was slowest given it felt the fastest (but least controlled). Recovery was prescribed as 2-3 mins full recovery between reps - I had planned on jogging each but during the first recovery I swiftly knew that 3 minutes jogging wouldn't provide full recovery so instead each recovery ended up being a minute each of jog/walk/jog which worked nicely. Hated most of this at the time, which again I'm putting down the early start - I do need to get used to early morning running again. 8.04 miles for the morning.

    Phsyio went fine afterwards. I've gotten into the habit of going every 6-8 weeks for a general maintenance visit. It seems to be working at the moment - the hip flexor and left knee need a bit of minding from time to time, but generally I'm in decent nick.

    Saturday - 13.1 miles easy (9:28/mile) This was a great improvement on the previous easy long runs which I had found to be a bit of a slog. I varied up the route a little more than usual so maybe that helped. Looking at it now I spotted that the pace was closer to easy than my previous long runs, even though avg HR is fairly consistent. Maybe that explains why this one felt better. Either way I was very happy with this one - longest run since Waterford.

    Sunday - 3.05 miles recovery (10:00/mile*) A short flat recovery run along the Swiss Cottage path to round off the week. GPS went haywire in the middle of the run - I'd say average pace was more like 10:20

    The 41.4 miles for the week is my highest in 3 years. Felt a bit of pain in my right foot over the weekend, but a bit of foam rolling on the calf/post-tib area seems to have eased it, thankfully. Into the last week of the base plan now and this was the first week where I felt like I was coming back into decent shape. The aim for this week is 38 or so miles - I'll see how the week develops before deciding if that'll be spread over 5 or 6 days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    23rd - 29th January

    Monday - Rest

    Tuesday - 65 mins Moderate (8:45-8:30/mile).  An early start for this one. I wore the Speeds for the first time since Waterford and they definitely offered more help than the GlideRides or Novablast.  I'll wear the Speeds in Dungarvan, but might look at picking up a pair of the Endorphin Pro for Limerick.  This was a really nice run, taking in 8.78 miles in total with a short warm up and cool down.

    Wednesday - 4.02 miles recovery (10:09/mile). A nice, flat lunchtime amble around UL. I'm looking forward to a few weeks time when the ground hardens a touch and I'll be able to do more of these UL runs on grass.

    Thursday - 5.38 miles recovery (10:32/mile). There's a local casual running group that my wife often runs with, and I've occassionally tagged along. Headed along this week but turned out most of the pacier folk had met earlier in the day. No harm, I just tucked in with those who were there and ran at their pace.

    Friday - 50 mins easy, 5 mins tempo, c/d. I had time at lunch to get out for this. Definitely my preferred window for running recently. Tempo pace was ~7:45/mile. The 50 mins easy was actually really enjoyable - nice miles on quiet country road. Maybe having the bit of work to look forward to helps the miles pass. The Tempo bit was fine too. I'm finding my HR returns to easy range reasonably quickly after a bit of work or hills, so that is pleasing. 6.61 miles for the day.

    Saturday - 11.05 miles easy (9:26/mile). With half an eye on Dungarvan, I made the LR a bit shorter this week and did it on the Saturday. Not as enjoyable as last week's long run but not too bad. I'll be following a FRR HM plan for Limerick and I'm definitely looking forward to getting back to the Endurance long runs.

    Sunday - 3 miles recovery (10:23/mile). Another short and sweet Sunday recovery trot along the Swiss Cottage path.

    38.8 miles for the week. I'll do a mile or two at 10M race pace tomorrow, but the rest of the coming week will be short, easy runs with Dungarvan on Sunday. I'll come back later in the week to round off January and preview Dungarvan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭coogy


    I'm starting to quite enjoy the lunchtime runs too! Used to be so obsessed with getting out at the crack of dawn (mostly to free up time later in the day) but yeah, it's still a good feeling getting a run done just before lunch!

    Have you done any shopping around for the Endorphin Pro? I was on the lookout for a pair recently but on most of the online stores, it's only very small or very big sizes wherever I looked. Have heard god things!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭Comic Book Guy


    I got a pair of the Pro 2 before Christmas online from Amphibian King. Did a quick check and they still have size 11 if that fits either of ye. The best 125 euro you will ever spend, such a gem of a shoe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭coogy


    Yeah, I saw them on the same site J. I'm size 10 unfortunately!! 🙄



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Yeah, particularly over the winter I find an early morning run is not the most enticing prospect. Once you are out though, it is a nice buzz to be running around while everyone else is is waking up into their day. Just much nicer on a nice spring or summers morning!

    Not done any research on the Pro to be honest - I went on a bit of a splurge around Black Friday and there's a fair mountain of shoes waiting in their boxes in the wardrobe. Luckily I've one or two pairs nearing retirement so there's a vacancy or two opening up!

    Cheers J. I am indeed an 11. Seems it's meant to be 😎



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    January becomes February with a light week ahead of Dungarvan on Sunday.

    Monday 30th - Rest

    Tuesday 31st - 10 min at race pace. This is a FRR session that I've used the week before my last two Half Marathons. The book suggests 2 miles at race pace, but that felt a little chunky to me back then, so I'd trimmed it back to 2k on both previous occassions. Settled on a slightly longer 10 minutes this time, which would be 1.37 miles (2.2km). I figured 7:15/mile for race pace (I'll come back to targets for Sunday later), which when I thought about it further would make this a hard enough effort, certainly a more sustained hard effort than what I'd been doing recently. After a 2 mile warm-up it was into 4 x 100m strides, before the 10 mile effort. I was a bit disappointed with this at first - it just felt much harder than I'd been expecting. The equivalent session pre-Waterford went really well and had given me a nice confidence boost, so as this one was in progress and feeling tough I was quickly lowering my Dungarvan expectations. Looking at it later with a clear mind I'm happier - there was a stiff breeze about for much of the 10 mins, and the route was lumpy-ish (nothing mad, but not pancake flat by any strecth). I probably should have backed off the effort a bit more but I'm not going to over-analyse 10 minutes work and what it means either. Paces came in at 7:17 for the first mile and 7:22 for the 0.37. Just under 2 miles cool down brought it to 6.33 miles for the afternoon.

    Wednesday 1st Feb - 3.09 miles recovery (10:29/mile). A gentle recovery trot around UL for this. Left the HR strap at home, and the watch was it's usual unreliable self as regards HR. Effort was nice and gentle. Legs felt fine from the day before.

    Thursday 2nd Feb - 4.19 miles recovery (10:16/mile). Back on home turf for this, so a lumpier route. Completely over-dressed as well - looked set to be horrible as I set out but the skies cleared and it was a lovely 40 minutes or so.

    So January was a good month overall. 157 miles which is my highest in 3 years. No huge leaps on any supplementary stuff, but some small improvements. I've cut-down late night snacking, and improved sleep a touch. Still plenty scope for improvement with both, but a step in the right direction. Got in a walk on 17/31 days, usually just a short 1 mile or so effort with the dog, but still it's 22.3 miles and my best walking total in a non-injured month. I've been pretty good at a spot of foam-rolling and stretching, so want to add a bit of S&C now once Dungarvan is in the rear-view mirror.

    Anyway, onto the exciting stuff - a RACE! Putting my Waterford HM time into Tinman and FRR gives me 1:13:xx for 10 miles. Coincidentally my 10M PB is 1:12:58 from Dungarvan 2020, so a PB is the obvious goal here. I've always felt that 2020 race was when I was in my best-ever shape and felt that this would be the hardest of my pre-injury PB's to crack, so if it was to go on Sunday it would be a very satisfying achievement. Sub-70 is out there as the next nice-looking target, and I had notions of cracking that if I have a really good day, but honestly I think it's a stretch right now, and 72:xx will be the aim. I don't feel in the slightest bit sharp at the moment - of course that's probably to be expected coming off a base block and this race isn't a main target for the year. Still want to give it the best lash I can on the day though.

    Rough race plan is to try for my usual negative split. I'll take a closer look at the route over the weekend, but rough plan would be to settle in for the first couple of miles at 75 min pace (7:30), then push onto target pace (7:15) for a few miles and see how that feels. Around the 6-7 mile mark I'll re-assess and see if I can push on or not and hopefully fly it over the last few miles if it's in the legs. The weather forecast for Sunday looks to be pretty good, so I'm really looking forward to giving this a good rattle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭Comic Book Guy


    All the best for Sunday A, sounds like you have a good race plan in place. Looking forward to the race report already!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭ReeReeG


    Best of luck on Sunday, hopefully see you there! I'll be just trying to complete it comfortably 😅



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Best of luck V - I'll keep an eye out for you. Not sure if you've done it before, but it's a fair enough course, nothing mad. Bit of a drag for the 9th mile as you come back onto the main road which will be fine if you've a bit left in the legs at that stage. This will be my 4th time doing this race and it's a good one.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭ReeReeG


    No haven't done it but my brother sent me a Strava link from when he did it before. He claims once you get past halfway it's all fine.. I'm not sure I believe him!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Very best of luck A 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Best of luck with the plans there A. I'm doing this one myself and might bump into you (if I recognise you from that post-DCM session in McGrattan's whenever it was, 2019?). I'm going into this myself in a similar situation to yourself, not feeling sharp either. Have a good one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Nice one D, cheers. Yeah would have been 2019 alright - I'll re-introduce myself if I spot you. Best of luck with your own race.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Race Report - The John Treacy Dungarvan 10 miler

    A weird one this - a strong result but I never felt great at any stage.

    I'd a thumping headache all day Saturday that just wouldn't shift. The headache itself was bad enough but I was more worried it was going to be the first symptom of something else. Got out for a few shakeout miles and felt physically fine. Mercifully the headache finally eased around 9 Saturday night. Woke up feeling fine Sunday morning so all systems go. The local running group had a bus booked to Dungarvan - we were on the road for 9 and the bus dropped us in Dungarvan before 10. The race started at 1pm on the previous occassions I'd ran it - this years 11am start was far more agreeable. I knew the final mile had changed last year and would remain the same this year - a few on the bus had warned of a nasty little kicker of a hill not far from the finish. Set off on my warm up and randomly ran up a side road which half way up I realised was the aforementioned hill - not too bad I thought with my nice fresh legs. Bumped into plenty of familiar faces as I made my way to the start line, although no sign of V or D. Took position alongside the 75 minute pacers and after a slight delay we were off.

    The plan was as I'd outlined last week - stick with the 75 minute pacers (7:30) for a couple of miles, then ease away at 7:15 for a few miles, kicking on for the last few if I could. It's a tight enough start given the size of the field as the opening half mile twists through the town before you finally emerge back onto wider roads and things settle down a tad. The start was fairly chaotic with some people charging past, others to be negotiated. I just tried to keep calm, stay upright and keep in touch with the pacers. I kind of ebbed and flowed near them for the first mile, before settling alongside for a bit. First mile came in at 7:27 so bang on what I wanted. I just didn't feel great though - the effort felt more than I expected - maybe it was the hectic start, or I worried that something lurked from Saturdays headache and I'd be in trouble soon. The second mile was more of the same, pace was ok, I just felt uneasy. There was a slight downhill before we turned right onto country roads and I used this to slide away from the pace group. 7:21 for the second mile.

    Third mile took us down past the finish line and I never seem to remember that we go back onto the ring road for a bit - every year it surprises me. I was full sure we'd gone wrong. 7:08 for this mile and I'm a bit more settled now. I spot John Treacy himself supporting on a roundabout as we depart the town for the final time until the finish. 4th mile has a bit of climbing so I'm conscious not too push too hard here, still though the mile clocks at 7:21. This whole section had been a wind tunnel in previous years - not so this year. Could not have asked for better conditions. A big black balloon distracted me for a while on the long straight stretch of the 5th mile - I think it had belonged to one of the 70 minute pacers but now it drifted off into the blue Waterford skies. The mile markers were pretty much bang on what my watch suggested, and mile 5 beeped at 7:14 for a 36:31 first half, so a PB (72:58) is within touching distance. I'm surprised at how quickly the miles are ticking by, and I'm feeling more settled now after my earlier rough patch.

    As we approach a tight hairpin-type turn I spy a gentle downhill on the far side which I then target to make some further progress and kick on a bit, before knuckling down again for a bit of climbing. 7:07 for the 6th mile and shortly after I glanced at my watch as it read 6.25 miles in 45:xx, only slightly outside my (admittedly soft) 10K PB. This gave me a nice little confidence boost at an opportune time as we hit a lovely downhill section. I tore down here with gusto as others had a more measured approach. I carried this momentum into the the flat miles that followed. 6:53 for that 7th mile. I took a caffeine gel along here just before the water stop. I'm not feeling super strong like I did in Waterford, but still managing to keep the pace under 7 min/mile as mile 8 beeps in 6:51.

    There's a little pull back onto the Youghal road, a bit of respite for a few yards before the long drag up towards the town. This is bloody hard work now. I'm looking at others bouncing along in their Vaporflys and Alphaflys and I'm cursing the Speeds which feel like rocks right now. I'm still passing people and managing to keep the pace up despite the drag. 6:55 for the 9th mile. I've picked up a stitch now, possibly from the gel and I'm trying to remember what I read about getting rid of a stitch. Deep breaths? I try that but it doesn't help. I just want this to be over now as we enter the final mile and the road flattens out and helps for a while. I'm wary of the last little hill, but at this stage it's not like I'm going to back off to save something for it. Turn the corner and jaysus it looks like Everest (it's not!). Feels like I'm crawling up here but everyone around is in the same boat or worse. The climb has drained my legs and I've nothing much to muster for the last short sprint to the line. Last mile was a 6:46.

    Chip Time 1:11:06. A PB of 1:53 from the same race 3 years ago. I'm very satisfied with the time, just a bit perturbed that I never really felt in control at any stage. Maybe that's a good sign though. I mentioned before the race about not feeling sharp, or in race shape and I think that's why I felt off during the race. It's to be expected I guess coming off a base phase with lots of easy and moderate work - the race pace and effort were a shock to the system. So, a PB in February - shut up moaning and take it! I also smashed my 10K PB by over a minute in the back half of the race, and came close to a 5K PB, so both of those need seeing to in the coming months.

    Afterwards we headed for dinner in Dungarvan and a few local IPA's before the bus dropped us back home for a few more pints where I caught the end of the Spurs match. I read my 2020 report before compiling this one - a few common things stood out. One was how quickly the miles ticked by, another was how I used the nice downhill section in the 7th mile as a launchpad to head for home, and also that Spurs beat City that day too. A really enjoyable day out at a great race - what more could you want!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭ReeReeG


    Nice one, always an extra good report when there's a PB involved! Congrats! I got to the start line with about 5 mins to go (the relaxation when you know you're miles off PB shape!) so not surprised I saw no one!

    My brother had warned me of the last incline with 400 to go, but failed to highlight that beast at the start of mile 9, though I think he did that on purpose. The conditions really were perfect though weren't they? I could have done with the 2nd water station a little sooner (I'd taken none at the first one however) but other than that it was a superb race setup.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    Well Done. That is some great racing and some final mile even with that hill in there. Great to see the base stuff standing to you! You will smash those 5k and 10k Pb's next time out



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Thanks V. Yeah the first water stop was a bit early I thought, although now that you mention it maybe that little sup helped me get over the little bit of stress I felt in the early going. I suppose they have to put the water stops in convenient locations for lay out and clean up. Well done yourself - a more than solid showing.

    Cheers D. Feels like I've jumped a level in these last few races, and raised some of my own expectations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Well done A, great to pb a race when you're not feeling race sharp, just shows how far you've come & no doubt with plenty more to come! All your patience & consistency is paying off & it's very well deserved 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Feeling crap during the race = temporary

    PB times = permanent 😎

    Congrats on a great race and report. Mile 9 probably felt a bit different without the horizontal drizzle/rain and wind lashing into you which seemed to be a staple in the last couple of editions of the race.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    Congrats on the pb and nice report ! Looking forward to following your progression in 2023!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Well done A. Sorry it didn't feel as good as you'd have liked but a very respectable performance & PB none the less. And sounds like an all round successful day out for you!

    Feels like I've jumped a level in these last few races, and raised some of my own expectations.

    You really do seem to have taken a leap forward, I wish I could take a leap like that, I feel like I'm crawling forward - not to sound ungrateful, any forward motion is a positive at this (st)age but a big leap would be nice 😂. What do you think might be the reasons for this, aside of course from your very patient approach to rebuilding a good base post set backs?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭coogy


    First off, well done on a super race, irrespective of how you felt physically on the day and even the day before, which may have contributed in some way to you not feeling tip-top on the day.

    Secondly, you really are going from strength to strength, so great to see. Well done again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Super stuff, A - I can identify with that feeling, sometimes you just have to grind it out. But you really warmed to the race - what a brilliant second half. Pity we didn't bump into each other, only finished minutes apart.

    Bus to race = pints = great planning!

    Congrats on the big PB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭Comic Book Guy


    Congrats A on another PB and lots more to come in 2023, you're in a great place at the mo!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,021 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Congrats on the PB. You really have taken a massive leap after the year (or more?) of injury. Totally down to commitment and resilience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Thanks everyone for the kind words - it's certainly nice to be back claiming PB's again!

    Thanks E. I suppose first of all it could be argued that I'm overselling myself saying that I've jumped a level, but that's what it feels like to me, and maybe that's all that matters anyway - that in my mind I feel like I've made strides and feel confident of more progress to come.

    What's it down to? Great question, and one I've given a fair bit of thought too over the past 24 hours. The honest answer is that it's probably all relatively low hanging fruit, so to speak. I'm still in the infancy of my running 'career' really, so improvements should be expected by just logging miles and being consistent?

    Prior to my first dabble with running in 2017, I'd basically been inactive since my early teens, so 20+ years of nothing, so I was starting from a really low fitness base. Since I started running I had a solid 18 months or so in 2018/19 with two marathon blocks, then 2 middling injured-hit years, followed by the last 10 months which have been nice and consistent. But add that all up and it's not a whole pile really, so if I can just keep the consistency then I should expect to keep improving for a while yet? I don't expect it will be linear - sometimes big chunks, other times lean periods, but I'll just keep plugging away.

    Well done on your own PB at the weekend - nearly a minute at 10k - a fairly substantial chunk! Looking forward to that report ☺️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Thanks A. You definitely can continue to improve, lots of room there for PBs at several distances. There's lots to be said for 20 years of inactivity and low hanging fruit - PBs are fun!


    Edited to add my report will be brief, I really didn't deserve the result I got 😅



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    6th - 12th February

    Monday - 3.72 miles recovery (10:21)

    Tuesday - Rest

    Wednesday - 4.54 miles recovery (10:56)

    Thursday - 5.56 miles easy (9:58)

    Friday - Rest

    Saturday - 6.03 easy miles (9:46)

    Sunday 10.24 easy miles (9:47)

    A nice handy week to allow a bit of recovery after Dungarvan. 30.1 miles in the end, and went passed 200 miles for the year, which is a solid start. Nothing too exciting to note running wise - no lasting niggles or soreness after Dungarvan, pleasingly. Attended a soccer coaching course on Saturday morning - nice to pick up a few pointers on how to approach coaching the u8's, although there was plenty soccer-type work in the bits where I was one of the guinea pig players for the other budding coaches. Plenty soreness in the days after as a result, and a timely reminder of why I knocked the 5-a-side on the head pretty quickly last year - great craic as it may be, the injury risk just felt too great for it to be compatible with running.

    Focus now turns to the Limerick Half in 11 weeks time. I'll be jumping in at week 2 of the 12 week P&L Faster Road Running plan. Couple of reasons for going with this plan. Firstly, it should suit my weekly schedule, and I've had decent results on the few previous occassons I've dabbled with P&L. The other main reason is as a test run for Dublin - it's a long way off, and I'm very much leaning towards the Boards Grads plan again for that but wanted to see how I got on with P&L here as I've never really done a full P&L plan outside of the base version.

    I'll mainly follow the plan as prescribed, although there will be some alterations. There are two tune-up races (8k-10k), 2 weeeks and 4 weeks out from Limerick. I've been looking at options and there are a few workable ones on those weeks, or in-and-around those weeks, so we'll see what ends up suiting. I'd considered the Mallow 10M mid-plan too, but I'm happy enough with my Dungarvan 10M time and I'd like to stick to the plan as closely as I can.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭py


    Belated congrats on the 10 mile PB. Coaching under age myself. It can be simultaneously rewarding and torture.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Cheers M. Yeah I 100% get what you mean - I equal parts enjoy it and dread it. Coaching is a strong word for what I do to be fair - chief shoelace fixer would be more accurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Good luck with Faster Road Running, I've used that HM plan myself successfully. If I remember correctly it had surprisingly little HM-pace running in it, but it did the aerobic conditioning bit well and it resulted in a very good race for me anyway. It's good to switch approaches every couple of years I think, keeps it interesting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Thanks. Yeah the main sessions each week are LT in the first half of the plan (run at roughly 15-25s faster than HM-pace), and in the back half of the plan the main session flips to VO2 max/speed type stuff. The rest of the week is made up of recovery runs, easy runs with strides, and the endurance runs (easy to moderate pace). So no HM-pace at all in it really, although my LT run this week ended up very much in the HM-pace range due to hills and wind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    13th - 19th February

    Monday - Rest

    Tuesday - 7.58 miles with 16 mins LT, 4 mins off, 12 mins LT. Seeing as I was jumping in at week 2, I just split the difference between the week 1 (14/4/12) and week 2 (18/4/12) LT runs on the plan. I got a shock when I looked up the prescribed paces based on my Dungarvan time - would be 6:56-7:06 for these. That felt like a massive leap from the paces I'd been doing them at last year, and this was going to be a lumpy route with plenty wind about, so I dialled back my expectations a few notches and tried to run at a consistent effort. This was tough enough going, but manageable. I'll try get out on a fairer route for this weeks LT session. Paces came in at 7:37, 6:58, 6:37 (0.21mi), 7:12 and 7:27 (0.64mi). The wild pace variations reflect the hilly route and changing wind, but I felt the effort was pretty even for the most part.

    Wednesday - 4.35 miles recovery @ 10:27. A shuffle around UL, keeping it flat and running on grass here and there. Soggy in parts so mainly on the gravel paths.

    Thursday - 5.6 miles easy @ 9:39. A nice lunch time out-and-back. I do like an easy hour or so at lunchtime - no thinking or planning involved, just head out the door and run.

    Friday - 11.13 miles endurance (8:54 avg). I wasn't sure I'd have much of a window for a LR over the weekend, so got it done early on Friday morning. Similar to the LT paces, I got a surprise when I checked the new endurance paces. I had been running these at 9:50 -> 8:50 before Waterford, and now they would be 9:20 -> 8:20. The plan was 4 miles at 9:20, 4 at 8:50 and 3 at 8:20. This was a struggle, and the last 3 miles were horrible. I've recently come to the conclusion that I really don't like rolling out of bed and getting straight into anything more than easy effort - maybe I could get up earlier, but that's not too enticing an option tbh. The second main problem with this run was that the middle 4 miles were all gradual uphill - this definitely took a toll come the final 3 miles, which were flatter and downhill but the legs were heavy. To be fair I hit the paces all the way through, but it was just a slog. I should have eased off a touch in those middle miles. Next weeks LR is a Progression with the final 3 at LT, but I'm just going to do a normal endurance instead and see if I can get a handle on those first.

    Saturday - Rest

    Sunday - 5.51 miles easy @ 9:54. We'd travelled over to London on the Saturday for the Spurs match on Sunday afternoon. I'd wondered where I'd go for my run, but it turned out that Finsbury park was right across the road from the hotel, so that decision was made easy. It was a perfect park for running, with a 1.5 mile main inner looop and loads of paths off that. Plenty runners about, as well as American Football training, tennis, baseball, and I even spotted an athletics track just as I was finishing up. Cracking day afterwards at the new Spurs stadium - it's such an impressive venue.

    34.1 miles for the week, and a fair bit of walking on top of that over the weekend. Interesting to see how I get on with the LT and LR now this week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    20th - 26th February

    Monday - Rest

    Tuesday - 6.08 miles easy, with 6 x 12s hills and 6 x 100m strides (9:52 avg). Found a nice little hill which I'd never thought of before for these short hill reps and it suited perfectly. Nice to get that little bit of speed into the legs.

    Wednesday - 4.12 miles recovery (10:12/mi). The FRR plan has a midweek endurance run ranging from 8-11 miles as the plan progresses. I might squeeze it in some weeks, but in general I'd rather split that mileage over two runs and add a sixth day to the plan. It just makes things easier by being able to fit it in at lunchtime. Plus, I'm always concious (perhaps too much) of not overdoing things, so I'd rather get the same miles in across two handy runs rather than a harder medium-length run.

    Thursday - 8.23 miles with 18 mins LT, 4 mins off, 15 mins LT. Had to squeeze this one in early before work which wasn't ideal but had to be done. Got up a touch earlier to allow me to fully wake and drink a cup of tea. I picked a nicer route, elevation wise, than last weeks LT run, and also took the Magic Speed 2's for their debut outing. I also added a couple of quick strides to the 15 minute warm-up. As happens at least 50% of the time, I realised as I pressed the lap button to start the LT bit that I'd never started the workout on the watch, and had just started a standard run instead. Oh well, not a huge deal, although a bit annoying. Target paces by the plan would be 6:56 -7:06 but I wasn't too hung up on those. Struggled to get near the pace for the first mile, and the whole first 18 mins just didn't feel fluid at all. Paces came in at 7:17, 7:05 and 6:57 (0.48mi). Ended up a touch short of the 18 mins as I couldn't remember what pace each previous mile had been in order to tot the 18 mins up manually. The 4 mins recovery felt just about right and then the second 15 mins felt great. At least initially. In contrast to the earlier work, I felt smooth, fluid and strong. Kept checking the pace and HR because I was sure it couldn't be going this well. The hurt did begin to bite for the last 5 mins but I was able to dig in and see it out. Went slightly over the 15 mins this time as again I couldn't remember the exact splits. 6:52, 7;00 and 6:53 (0.2 mi) for the second rep. Delighted with this. The Magic Speeds felt good, but my initial thought was that I prefer the Saucony Speeds.

    Friday - 3.15 miles recovery (10:17mi). Another pre-work run. Legs feeling no ill effects after the previous day.

    Saturday - 12.05 miles endurance (8:47 avg). A bit of a dose had hit the house, and I was worried that I'd pick it up too. I had initially pencilled this in for Sunday, but when I was feeling good Saturday morning I said I'd chance it then in case the bug caught me before Sunday. The first two miles felt a bit like work, and I wondered if I had, in fact, caught the dose. Once I hit the nice flowing downhill third mile though I felt great. Spent the next 4 miles trying to reign in the pace and I couldn't believe the contrast to last weeks long run which was a right struggle at times. I was in the zone, the miles were ticking by and this was such a pleasurable run. Around mile 7 I turned towards home and was hit with a nice, stiff breeze. Maybe that had been helping me up to now and was why the first half felt so good!?! Most of the second half of the run was into this wind, so tougher going at times as the paces picked up, but not too bad in all honesty. A flock of sheep being hunted down the road stopped me in my tracks for a minute towards the end - a not unwelcome breather when it happened but it did fairly ruin my rhythm. All-in-all I was delighted with this run. A nice bounce back from last week. Wondered after if maybe I'd been the first to get (a mild form of) the dose and it had affected the long run last week.

    Sunday - 3.63 miles recovery (9:45/mi). Pace was faster than my usual recovery effort. The legs felt fine and effort was appropriately very easy. I don't really pay much attention to the pace on my easy or recovery runs until I check it after. Broke out the mat later that evening for 30 mins S&C to ease me back into that habit. I've been threatening to do a bit since the start of the year but kept making excuses. Hopefully it becomes a habit - even once a week for a while would be good.

    A decent week with 37.2 miles covered and the 2 big runs going really well. A step-back week now this week before I hit the bigger weeks of the plan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    The FRR plan has a midweek endurance run ranging from 8-11 miles as the plan progresses. I might squeeze it in some weeks, but in general I'd rather split that mileage over two runs and add a sixth day to the plan. It just makes things easier by being able to fit it in at lunchtime. Plus, I'm always concious (perhaps too much) of not overdoing things, so I'd rather get the same miles in across two handy runs rather than a harder medium-length run.

    This medium-long run is one of the things that has put me off the FRR plans in the past. I find, like you with work and a busy kids' schedule to contend with, it is easier to squeeze in 2 * 45min runs than 1 * 90min run midweek. I wonder would it change the stimulus much? I suppose at the end of the day it's probably better than not getting the miles in at all?

    Good luck with the S&C, any bit will help. I could do with some mobility/stretching myself 🤦‍♀️



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Yeah I find there is a real lack of 4-6 mile runs in this plan, and I like those! I suppose it would change the stimulus a bit, and maybe I'd have better results following the plan to the letter, but at the moment I'm happy enough that even my pared back version is still providing an increase in stimulus compared to what I'd have done recently, so it's still (hopefully) progress, but maybe at a slower rate than if I did include the midweek MLR. I do wonder if we're all guilty of placing too much focus of the importance of one workout or another, and think simply racking up decent (relative) mileage with the odd bit of appropriate work will go a long way.

    Plus, this way allows me to add the 6th day regularly and slowly build up the mileage without it seeming unduly onerous. I do worry I'm doing too many 3-4 mile days at the moment, but that will change as the mileage goes up.

    At the end of the day, the plan has to work for me, and my life. Where possible it's ideal for me to get in as much of my midweek miles as reasonable at lunchtime. I don't mind the odd early start or late outing, but if it's 2-3 times a week then it would soon become a chore, especially at this time of year, and for a race that's not the main goal I don't want to push the boat out too far when there's no need. Once I get into marathon training more flexibility will be required of course, and that's fine - at least in the summer there will be more daylight so options for running windows naturally increase (although kids activites will complicate that!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    It can certainly be difficult. I do think though that MLRs at a certain pace are crucial runs. Correct me, does FRR favour steady (aerobic) pace for these? I do remember the difficulty squeezing these into the standard workday lunchtime run when I used that plan. I think though from what I know now that It’s better to do the MLR than break it up. The stimulus from a steady 11 miles is a lot different to what you get from a split 6/5, I reckon. But it’s all about trying out and then trying to evaluate critically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    I like the 4-6mile runs too A. They can be squeezed in at lunch or during an evening after school activity where you have 55mins while the kids are doing their thing. I do that a couple of evenings a week, some days it's the only way to get a run in, and it gets me running in different locations breaking the monotony of the week. I totally agree it has to work for you and your life, there is no point if it's just adding stress and isn't practical, it's the main reason I'm just setting my own training at the moment - the coaching accountability part was starting to stress me out and I can't settle on a plan that fits quite right...

    It'll be interesting to see how the plan goes for you, but it's not your main goal for the year either so it's a good time to allow yourself some flexibility, and as D says evaluate afterward. You are on a roll at the moment which is great to see.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Thank you both for the inputs, much appreciated. Yeah D, the endurance runs start off at the easier end of easy in the earlier miles, and progress towards steady/moderate for the closing miles. I'm sure you're right to say they are crucial runs, and are in the plan for a reason. I'll hopefully squeeze in the odd one as the weeks go by, but it definitely won't be every week. In addition to them not fitting into a convenient window, there's probably a reluctance on my part to be adding too much work - I've got to this point by building gradually so I tend to veer towards (or create) the conservative path.



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