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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭storker


    I'm pretty sure that's the one I saw at Farnborough many years ago. Unfortunately one of the engines backfired loudly during the takeoff roll and the crew aborted. End of display. Pity.

    Even more OT: having jumped into a number of (virtual) Russian jet aircraft for a peek in different flight sims, I much prefer the Russian greenish-blue panel colour to the diarrhoea brown of Boeing 747, 757, 767 and 777 cockpits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, but the big difference between the Russians and the US leaving Afghanistan was that the Russian's were kicked out by the Afghan's and told in no uncertain terms not to return, but when the Americans left, most of Afghanistan wanted to leave with them



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Perhaps you haven’t noticed that Russia is still in Ukraine. If Ukraine wasn’t having difficulty, they would have kicked the Russians, who have plenty enough issues of their own, back across the border.

    Battle doesn’t care who is the good guy or who is the bad guy. An sufficiently resourced and sufficiently trained military does not send single tanks out on their own on missions. The smallest tactical detachment is the platoon: in Ukrainian terms, three tanks. Tanks are supposed to operate as combined arms units with infantry. They complement each other. That video could just have easily ended with an ATGM coming from the flank into the alone and unafraid Ukrainian tank, or a well placed RPG from the infantry being engaged. The Russians may not have NLAWs, but something has been knocking out hundred of Ukrainian tanks.

    There are only two notable valid reasons for a single tank to be advancing to engage infantry. They are either lack of resources, or incompetence. The Ukrainians have not shown themselves to be particularly incompetent (and most of the incompetent Ukrainians have likely been killed by now anyway), that leaves resourcing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Germany needed the courage and didn't have to ask permission of anyone. It wasn't until the UK offered the 12 challengers and then the US the 30 Abrams that things started moving. And you can stop being so condescending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    You're right, a tax they'd have to agreed with if they wanted to trade (after a forced exclusion of 10:years minimum perhaps?)

    The time span intended to be long enough to hold their military behind that of the West, and short enough to provide timely revenue to Ukraine.

    But that would be on top of transferring all frozen accounts to Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,051 ✭✭✭✭briany


    And talk of Russia's relatively large population becomes irrelevant in the face of those kinds of losses. People talk about Russian disregard for life in their military doctrine, but that remains mostly on the part commanders. The actual soldiers and their families aren't going to be that gung ho about getting slaughtered if they can help it, and it's telling that Wagner have apparently favoured the use of prisoners for this human wave offensive - fewer will miss that type of man. That becomes more and more of a problem as the prisoners diminish and Russian command is forced to pull more and more from the regular population for its zombie horde. And even the furthest flung villages will at some point notice that few, if any, of their sons are coming back. This is where 140 million really starts to look like a much smaller number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Of course, it could well be the case that it did not start out alone but got seperated in battle? These things happen too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Equally it could be the case that these things happen more often than we thought. And we're only being exposed to it now as a result of the relatively new mass drone footage from this war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,397 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm starting to see why Ukraine don't want to let Bakhmut go. Apart from Russia suffering massive losses including the entire mobilised prisoner brigades, it is stopping Russia getting a major PR boost to "celebrate" the anniversary. It's also damaging the image and power of Wagner.


    The final reason is every bomb dropped on Bakhmut is one less bomb dropped on the next cities that would be attacked if it fell. They're also getting ample time to strengthen the next defensive lines and I'd imagine Russian artillery is taking more losses then usual as they're forced to attack from similar areas much longer then usual.


    I'd love to see the city hold out long enough for the Ukrainian counter offensive to get underway. Russia will start using more helis and jets closer to the frontlines when the weather improves so hopefully their losses see another big uptick then. The last time we seen a lot of losses here was during the battle for Kherson.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Hi folks.

    I'm back, after my absence. What did I miss? I was in the "land of the free" doing in one week, what would take two months to do here in the Wesht!

    Just noticed this big chap doing a 180, with transponder first off, then back on again, out over the sea. An airdrop over the water off the coast, maybe?

    It's pretty quiet, but I've obviously heard about the relocation of air assets to the borders. In the States, the argument against sending jets is pretty strong, recommending an effective air-defence system instead. I would tend to agree. There is a lot, and I do mean a lot, of work involved in keeping combat aircraft flying, never mind the training involved. ( any Irish Aer Corps pilot will tell you this even with our humble PC'9s). An air-defence system across the country would be far, far more cost-effective and more damaging to the Russians.

    Most Americans I spoke to :

    1. Don't know where Ukraine is, on a map.

    2. Expect Poland to be dragged into the fight. ( I fact, they're already in the fight). I'm certain Poland expects this too. Something about unfinished business...

    3. Believe the US should be doing a lot more to help the Ukraine.

    4. Think Europe is a Country.

    5. Belive that there are many Ukranian personell being trained, on the QT, with certain skills, at bases in the US. I find this difficult to believe.

    Anyway. Hope you're all well. Any regulars still here?

    Here's that wandering C-17...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Very good. You didn't, by any chance, visit the Kings Highway in Jordan? The trucks are cabless, due to the heat. Just a front windscreen, a steering wheel and seat. The noise the wheels make on the melting road is incredible!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,777 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Balloons again...

    UKRAINE HAS SAID its aerial defence units had detected half a dozen balloons, apparently launched by Russia, over the capital Kyiv and shot most of them down. Kyiv authorities said the balloons could carry reconnaissance equipment and were launched to “detect and exhaust our air defence forces.”

    https://www.thejournal.ie/kyiv-russian-balloons-zelenskyy-troops-bakhmut-5996711-Feb2023/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,821 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Again, russians can't come up with their own original idea



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭jackboy


    A clever idea though. If they could launch hundreds of balloons over Ukraine it would use up a huge amount of Ukrainian resources shooting them down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,621 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    If they had actually gained more than they lost, then they would not be waiting on a mere company of Leopard 2s as prerequisite for their big spring/summer offensive. That they made a net gain on tanks is pure 'copium'

    Apparently the Ukrainians did this first sometime last year, with the balloons triggering RU air defense near Rostov. Now the Russians are copying in an attempt to expose air defence positions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Thanks. I now have an image of Russian soldiers looting shops for gas tanks, party balloons and disposable cameras.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    What makes you think Russia will be picking up the tab for Ukrainian reconstruction?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭storker


    When you say "...being trained in ceratin skills..." ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That C-17 was probably delivering aid to Turkey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    Do the Geneva Conventions apply to everyone or just Russia?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Its like they live in a dystopian world where their military, navy and allies have an invisible shield around them protecting them from retaliation.

    "We send our navy to their borders" - but ignoring that if their navy stood out of line, every boat \ ship would be sunk in short time, an every soul on board would perish.

    "We get north korea to hit them in a heartbeat" - but ignoring that NK would then within about a couple of hours, be transformed into a glassy radioactive wasteland, basically devoid of human life.

    "We should strike London or Berlin" - Refer to NKs outcome for same above.

    In their minds do they seriously think western countries would just be afraid and in awe when they saw their russian adversaries approaching and would sit idly by as russia does what it likes without fear of retaliation ?

    The sight of that white haired old man in a suit gesticulating in front of the camera as he delivers such ludicrous nonsense is quite sad viewing in a way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,291 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The Russian ATGM are a two man operation,wire guided and require specialist operators. They are not deployed at squad level.

    The UA got 5k+ Javelins but they also got 100k LAWS. If that was a UA position they would probably have a couple LAWS in the trenches.

    The UA T72/T90 tanks are upgraded compared to the Russian tanks. You would need the more modern RPG missiles to stop them. The RPG is very effective......against stationary targets but will only hit 50% of slow moving targets it would be pretty useless against that fast moving targets.

    Most of the legendary status of the RPG is made up of it ability to hit stationary targets or its ability to bring down hovering helicopters.

    Basically the average Russian squad have f@@kall to stop a tank.

    I think the tank was sent in as drones had assessed the position and the area around it had nothing capable off stoppage tank. Why waste soldiers lives. That is why the tank was moving fast. Probably has backup a km back.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,986 ✭✭✭ambro25




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭vixdname


    VPNs are probably new inventions to poor russian bots, they haven't realised many ordinary internet user use them as another layer of security in the west



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,621 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The Russian army do not use RPG-7, it has long been replaced by a number of more powerful variants like the RPG-29, which while not as potent as something like a Kornet ATGM, is still powerful in its own right.

    As for the RPG-7's "legendary" status, its more that its just cheap and widely available, particularly for insurgencies and terrorist groups. The Ak-47 of explosive weapons. Its reputation is little to do with it packing any kind of punch.

    Javelin use in Ukraine seems to have sharply dropped, very little footage of their use as of late. Not clear if thats just less videos of events, less opportunity to use them, or low stocks.

    I think the tank was sent in as drones had assessed the position and the area around it had nothing capable off stoppage tank. Why waste soldiers lives. That is why the tank was moving fast. Probably has backup a km back.

    How would drones have spotted any portable anti-tank weapons that may be lying in trenches or other positions? You are vastly overestimating what drone operators would pick up on in a reasonable amount of time. Also a lone tank is a prime target for artillery strikes too - no matter what way you cut it its a huge risk putting a tank out on its own like that. There is a reason its not considered doctrine anywhere to do that kind of thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    40,000 dead since mid December when it reached 100,000

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭paul71


    1. The guilty party should be held Liable for damages/injury/death, that is a fair assessment.
    2. Next part is enforcement. Not possible to use Russian money to rebuild unless they are beaten out of the area to be rebuilt, this is clearly happening.
    3. The practical part is the application of the finance. Much of the money has already been seized from Russian Oligarchs so quite easy to do.

    So no that I have answers yet another of your deliberately leading questions let me ask you a real one.


    Why would you think Russia will not pick up the tab?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    That's their Whataboutery policy in action, big time.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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