Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

Well they won't be sited around the likes of Dun Laoghaire as they might get in the way of some people's yachts getting out of the marina.

Also it would be quite unfair on some of the residents to have to see cruise ships full of these people blocking the view across the bay.

There has to be a better harbour option, somewhere with of course "more facilities" that can cope with these people.

It is marvellous and often quite ironic how the more facilities argument is brought out to explain why all these people are being dumped in very much working class areas.

It is quite obvious how some posters with very vehement views on certain topics have an inordinate amount of time to spend posting, and it is always on their chosen specialist subject.

It can only lead one to only one conclusion.

Sometimes it even reads like a press release from certain organisations.

I'll preface this by saying we should accept every last Ukranian person we can man, woman or child, I do have a problem with people playing the system and not having documents when they arrive here.

The main issue here is with expectations and how the worlds view of generous Ireland that we create will never be matched on the ground, it will end up putting us into an unreversable fall into ghettos and low welfare for people who need it.

What the Irish public think is happening: - mass immigration, no regulation, spiralling housing and service issues

What the Ukrainian refugess think will happen: resentment due to tarring of all people who enter the country with one brush and problems trying to integrate

What the undocumented think will happen: once they pass immigration they will be looked after for life, with or without a plan or realistic expectation on provision for work/housing/welfare

What the Irish Govt think is happening: cheap labour will be plentiful,ie Keelings, ABP group. Industries supporting mass migration will generate large revenue supporting the political classes

What the EU thinks is happening: The Irish are finally meeting their commitments relating to migration, how they meet it isn't our problem but we will subsidise them to a point as needed, pack them in

What will happen: Ghettos, cheap labour lowering employement standards and the gap between lower and upper classes deepening, unfair resentment of migration as a whole, in short the rich will get richer and the poor will scrap among themselves. Our reputation as a tourist destination is down the pan now, this year will be an eyeopener for people.

You make it sound like it's trying to crack Nuclear fission or something.

Maybe see what other countries do with strong borders do would be a starting point.

Amazing when it comes to issues like this how it's made out to be such a dillemma but setting and collecting punitive rates of tax/charges for taxpayers isn't.

You misunderstood. I am trying to ascertain the difference in process and outcome if you arrived undocumented and (a) get arrested or (b) don't get arrested. I imagine the immigrant is handled the exact same way (and does zero prison time). Open to correction.

Yes could somebody just give them Michellin star chefs and accompanying menu in those hotels that they are staying in?

The poor krators now they have to pay €10 towards their food per day.

It's only fair!

The article below is behind a paywall

TLDR; they are complaining about having to contribute €10 per day towards their food and the menu on offer.

Jesus wept - facepalm etc etc

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/02/11/they-are-not-listening-tensions-between-ukrainians-and-hotel-management-over-food/

 I've heard lots of people say over the years they wouldn't mind it

Jesus, how catastrophic and empty must those people lives be?

But you would now?

I wonder what the benchmark for appropriate is, beyond four walls and a roof? How likely is a government building to be suitable for residential purposes, beyond just keeping the 'residents' out of the rain in an emergency?

If that's what you aspire to, good for you.

You can always live that dream too, declare yourself homeless.

Let us know how you get on. 👍️

These "refugees" have unfettered access to welfare and services while Irish people who worked and payed taxes all their lives have to fight tooth and nail for anything from the state

You mean asylum seekers? No they don't.

But like I said you could live the dream too.

Oh okay, I'll leave you to it so.

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Very good point on radio this morning. O'Gorman has been thrown under a bus by FFG in relation to housing refugees and asylum seekers.

Why would you give this massive job to a new TD and Minister in the small coalition partner? Aren't there plenty of FG TDs with ministerial experience who could take this role? The 2 Simons have feck all to do for example but both of them would point blank refuse it. FG need to own it. It appears he isn't getting much support from his coalition partners either. If Ryan had any cop on he would not allow this to happen. It reminds me of when Trickle Hogan handed the Irish Water superquango mess to Labour's Alan Kelly.

Sending Regina Doherty out yesterday to criticise both sides on this was cowardly.

Link? He was already busy enough with the Mother and Baby home mess including the Tuam babies.