Mayo GAA Discussion

Martina1991 · 07-02-2023 01:27PM

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Kerry were 6 points up on Donegal last week and ended up losing the game.

Bass Reeves · 07-02-2023 01:31PM

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Before half time not with ten minutes playing time left.

RedDevil55 · 07-02-2023 01:43PM

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What do you mean draw them out of their defensive setup? Armagh pushed up completely in the last 10 minutes, goalkeeper included. I watched it back and I think we only crossed their 45 twice in that time. The first time was when the score was 17-16, Jordan Flynn tried to give a hand pass to our corner forward but it got intercepted. Armagh then went upfield but Brickenden won a turnover and that led to Eoghan Mc having the ball inside their 45.

I'm sure Armagh will have their own grievances, but we got nothing off the ref during that time. They won frees for the slightest contact, while we got nothing from some very strong Armagh tackling.

Bass Reeves · 07-02-2023 02:06PM

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I only saw the highlights and I consider the last free to Armagh very soft. Rian O'Neal virtually dived , admittedly the ref have the free for a handover the shoulder.

The whole point is you get the ball up field. Mayo have a tendancy to go I to a shell, move too many players back on there own kickout Armagh defendeds can only move up on a kickout if the player they are marking do not go forward for the kickout.

On a kickout in that situation you should have at least two inside the opposition 21 and three more inside the forty five. It usually attackers coming back that allow defenders inside your '45.

It's a huge flaw at club level. It one thing a player tracking back but the constant temptation to allow yourself to get drawn back to defend a lead is what defeats teams. It completely limits your kickouts and your out ball.

On the Kerry/ Donegal match I be critical of Kerry as well and the ref did us no favours and they gave Donegal a point which was 5 feet wide. We also had no free taker which costs us 4 points in the match. However even at that we had the winning in our own hands and I be critical of Kerry for that. We rushed a few chances in the last five minutes. However we were playing away with only five starters from the AI final. That is still not an excuse we had our chances to win the game and did not take them.

If you do not accept criticism or want to ignore what is needed to win at a highest level that is ok.

PARlance · 07-02-2023 02:34PM

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It was a very bad collapse but maybe we need to accept that there's going to be a few mistakes made / lessons learned under any new management team as the players get used to them. A few more of the experienced heads that either aren't around or weren't playing would probably have helped see the game out as well.

It's never a bad thing when you're not losing games but still have a lot to work on.

Am talking to myself there as much as anyone else.

RedDevil55 · 07-02-2023 02:44PM

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No issue accepting criticism but with all due respect how can you know Mayo went into their shell simply by looking at highlights?

After making the score 17-12, Mayo pressed the Armagh kickout in the same way they had been doing for the whole 2nd half. It just so happened that Armagh won it and eventually got a (incredibly soft) scoreable free, which started the comeback.

Bass Reeves · 07-02-2023 03:33PM

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It was you stated that

''Armagh pushed up completely in the last 10 minutes, goalkeeper included. I watched it back and I think we only crossed their 45 twice in that time. ''

That indicator me that Mayo did not push forward enough and got sucked back defending a lead. They obviously had no players forward as an out ball.

It was even commented on in the highlights that AOS was ery farm back for the last quarter insteast of staying inside as FF

Man Vs ManUre · 07-02-2023 03:43PM

Looks like Roscommon are best in the west. And north, south and east.

Bass Reeves · 07-02-2023 04:07PM

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Ya great start by Roscommon. There start has put the cat among the pigeons. I had them and Monaghan as the most likely relegation candidates. However another two points will probably see them safe. They have Armagh, Mayo and Donegal at home I think and are away to Monaghan and Tyrone. I would have said they were safe if the Monaghan match was at home.

Any team could get relegated now if the have a few bad results. Six points might not even be the safety net.

I am still thinking Monaghan will go down, they should have been relegated last year and Kildare should have survived.

Lukekul · 08-02-2023 08:58PM

https://youtu.be/AIIjgJcXcyY?t=4605

Serious goal from the much maligned Eoghan McLaughlin for UL tonight. (@01:16:45)

km79 · 08-02-2023 09:35PM

I just came on to post the same :D

Audioslaven · 08-02-2023 11:52PM

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Delighted for him and he attacks every time he gets the ball. He took a nasty hit in 2021 so I would love for him to win an medal.

09-02-2023 08:51AM

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Fast starts by unfancied teams should not be a surprise.

They obviously want to secure Div 1 status as quick as possible and thus are usually playing with a team closer to their championship team than some others are.

They are doing less experimenting, they have less players to "come back"

Roscommon reached a league semi finals back around 2016, I think they came second after the 7 regular season games.

But they were relegated the next year.

Same with Galway in 2020, pre COVID they were top of the pile, in 2021 they were relegated.

MacDanger · 09-02-2023 09:30AM

Cracking goal for McLaughlin

FullBack Jam · 09-02-2023 12:22PM

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Some pace tearing up the pitch. I had a moan a few days ago about the wild shot he took against Armagh. But I have no doubts as to his worth in the team. For me, he doesn't need to be a scoring threat to warrent a place in the team. I'd take his forward drive any day as opposed to Stephen Coens conservativeness. At least Eoghan is putting the opposition on the back foot.

muddle84 · 09-02-2023 12:59PM

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I do think Eoghan has a place on the team, but this isn't his first year involved now, so i think he needs to learn his place. Somebody made the comparison to Michael Darragh MacAuley a few posts back, MacAuley knew he couldn't score those long range points, the only scores i can think of him scoring was fisted over the bar actually, but he was a huge asset to Dublin and Ballyboden too. He was an out and out pest on the field too which I don't see MacLaughlin bringing but that's neither here nor there. So I think for Eoghan to have maximum impact he needs to figure out is he going to nail the kicking, or just accept that's not going to be part of his game. He is a starter either way IMO, but making the wrong decision like he did in Armagh just won't be good enough come championship!

MacDanger · 09-02-2023 01:09PM

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I think we can have a moan about him taking the wrong option against Armagh and still think he brings massive value to the team; I think he just needs to take a split second to steady himself in these situations and he'll be grand.

FWIW, I also think Coen is worth his place on the team even if he is more of a "minding the house" type of player than McLaughlin.

Audioslaven · 10-02-2023 12:04AM

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100%. You need this driving force in order to beat the big teams. You will not win big games with the stuff Coen does. I think he knows his limits and as such plays it save. EML firing down the wing would worry teams as will Durcan the other side. We just need someone to fill the CB position and maybe Loftus is it for us.

PARlance · 10-02-2023 10:04AM

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Completely agree, not sure how it became a McLaughlin Vs Coen thing. Both very different players and as you say, probably a place for both types on the one team.

FullBack Jam · 10-02-2023 11:32AM

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Apologies, I brought Stephen Coens name into it. There were couple of comments questioning Eoghan McLaghlans inclusion in the team. I was just comparing the overall impact between the 2 of these players. And that I think Eoghan's worth to the team is far more. I didn't really mean that it's one or the other. But I guess if I was to be pressed on it, I don't see what Stephen Coen brings to the team. If we uncovered another attacking half-back type player (even half the calibre of Keegan, Boyle, Higgins), it would be more valuable than Stephen Coens contribution against the likes of Kerry, Dublin, Galway etc.

RedDevil55 · 10-02-2023 11:50AM

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You can't play all attacking half backs though. You need a player or 2 who will sit and cover the full back line. Tadhg Morley is one of the first names on the Kerry team, yet you don't see him bombing up the field. Cian O'Sullivan played a similar role with Dublin for years.

I think Stephen Coen gives a lot to the team. He's great at competing for kickouts and breaking ball. Unlike a lot of our backs, his first thought is kick passing the ball. Also, despite all the stick he gets, his scoring return is decent - especially in big games.

Personally I don't see this Loftus experiment working long term. SC at 6 with Paddy Durcan and EMcL either side is still our strongest HB line.

PARlance · 10-02-2023 12:01PM

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I went in hard on McLaughlin for taking the shot on, but I wasn't questioning his place on the team at all.

I think Coen is a bit underrated myself. A player like that is needed in most teams. RedDevil55 has made the point better than I could.

FullBack Jam · 10-02-2023 12:21PM

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Fair enough. Good points.

PARlance · 10-02-2023 02:00PM

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The only thing I would add to that is that he must bring serious leadership as well.

He doesn't seem the most vocal, I guess a lot of it goes unseen by us, but to be a minor, u21 and Sigerson winning captain... there has to be something serious there.

Blackjack · 10-02-2023 02:57PM

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I think Coen does a lot of unseen work and covering off the ball. His positioning is always very good, passing very strong too. Scores the odd one but is rarely into the opposition 65 at the same time. He's very strong and a good tackler, rarely gets dispossessed himself.

Hugely underrated, probably precisely because he doesn't score very often and does a lot of the less spectacular work.

happyoutscan · 10-02-2023 07:16PM

I like EML, but I think a few are getting carried away.

His speed is an obvious advantage.

But having no end product in terms of scoring - points or goals - and lacking in game intelligence, I'd really be wanting some form of return from him. I do believe though that his injury has set him back and no one can fault that.

Someone mentioned above that COC was correct in slowing down that ball against Armagh instead of going for it, when their keeper was dispossessed. Dublin, Kerry and Tyrone would have taken advantage of that, while we just slowed it down. Makes zero sense to me.

Padkir · 10-02-2023 08:48PM

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I have to disagree on your last point.

I think Cillian understood if we held the ball for 30 seconds, the game was over. He passed it off to Eoghan and then was looking for it back off him - he looked very frustrated to see him shooting.

I was there live and haven't watched it back, but from memory, a few Mayo lads had broken forward, and I'd be pretty confident that they could have passed it around for 30 seconds then worked a handy chip over score. If they did, it's game over.

Blackjack · 10-02-2023 11:17PM

Yeah I was behind that goal. Brickenden and McBrien were the other 2. It was just a rush of blood from EMacL. Cillian would definetly have known to play keep ball and likely if he’d gotten the ball back it would have been better dealt with. He’s better in terms of awareness and would have known to look for other players coming into position to include in the passage of play or that might be in a better scoring position.

RedDevil55 · 11-02-2023 12:05AM

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Ah come on, he has plenty of end product. In the championship last year he got a point vs Galway, a point vs Monaghan and 2 points vs Kildare. That's aside from all the frees he wins by running from deep.

He has made 2 sub appearances so far this year. No need to panic yet about his scoring return.

Not sure what you think Dublin, Kerry or Tyrone would have done in that situation. Yes the keeper was outfield, but plenty Armagh defenders were back covering. The correct move was to hold possession IMO and try wind down the clock for 30 seconds.

WesternZulu · 11-02-2023 12:15AM

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Many of our forwards struggle to consistently score goals and points. It's a bit unfair to criticise EML on his scoring return from the half back line!

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