General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

Mushy · 08-02-2023 10:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120217931#Comment_120217931

In fairness the best leeds performances this season have all been against teams you'd expect to dominate possession (Chelsea, Liverpool...spurs game they were robbed) so it's not a surprise that they played that way tonight, Marsch or no Marsch. The biggest problem all season has been a complete lack of ability to break down a defence.

y0ssar1an22 · 09-02-2023 12:00AM

who knows, it might be newcastle that benefit from this investigation. 2-4 years? bonkers. the longer it takes, the more severe the punishment should be, if found guilty. but if the evidence is there, its there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTrPsOfrsY0&ab_channel=SkySportsNews

TheCitizen · 09-02-2023 05:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216513#Comment_120216513

So they have their own bottomless pit and Saudi money is part of it. A bottomless pit nonetheless. 5% of 70 billion you say which is 3.5 billion, not small beer and I didn’t say that you said it was.

To describe their plan as transparent, I’m not sure I agree with. It’s a very risky strategy to pile up a load of young footballers on long term contracts. I find it hard to believe that they don’t have clauses and details in those contracts, or are insuring or betting against it some other way that gets them off the hook when some of those transfers go wrong, as they always inevitably do, and that Chelsea are in compliance with the regulations. Or as the case may be they can just write them off as depreciating assets and take the financial loss, which is small beer for them, and reinvest, but still somehow get around the regulations. I doubt we’re seeing the whole story here with this picture that Chelsea will show the premier league every financial year.

doc_17 · 09-02-2023 07:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218504#Comment_120218504

Chelsea still have the rest of the year to dump players. Anyway, you should direct some of the concern you have for Chelsea’s spending toward concern for the integrity of the competition. What City have been at, well, everyone knows it’s a farce. Highest commercial revenue in football when they can’t even fill a relatively small venue where the tickets aren’t too expensive…..the Premier League believe the whole thing is built on lies. And because of those lies they may have stolen titles from clubs doing things right. When your strategy is to obfuscate and delay they there’s a problem.

City say they have “irrefutable proof” they are complying……let them release it. City have been a real stain on football. Newcastle could be about to become another. If PL don’t take action then there might be a super league, without the clubs breaking all the rules.

yourdeadwright · 09-02-2023 09:12AM

Footballs mad isnlt it ,

United with the best CB pairing in the Prem Martinez & Varane with the best DM in the world in front of them have let in as many Prem goals as Liverpool who's defending is a like a circus act ,

TheCitizen · 09-02-2023 09:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218565#Comment_120218565

It’s not an exclusive argument that I’m making. I’m not a City fan and am not making excuses for them with whataboutery arguing. City should face the appropriate consequences. This stuff Chelsea are at shouldn’t be forgotten when the spotlight is on City and Newcastle. As for a Super League, what difference does that make. Isn’t football corrupted at EPL level anyway. Man United and Liverpool to be taken over by similar owners to City and Newcastle so they can “compete” again.

A Super League would perhaps be a more interesting product for the neutral with European clubs involved. The biggest problem I had with the original Super League idea was that it was a closed shop with no relegation or prospect for others to get promoted into it and with no mark clubs that never win anything like Spurs ensconced in it.

City might get caught and face a points deduction and a transfer ban. Newcastle and Chelsea and the rest will just learn new ways to circumvent the rules from City’s mistakes. Chelsea it appears have already found new imaginative ways to cheat the system.

yourdeadwright · 09-02-2023 09:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218809#Comment_120218809

You have to say that is a mad stat

There's no way you'd think both team have conceded the same amount of goals in the league from the narrative around both sides,

breezy1985 · 09-02-2023 09:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218822#Comment_120218822

Chelsea didn't cheat the system just found a loophole.

City cheated the system.

Brendan Flowers · 09-02-2023 09:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218764#Comment_120218764

Since you brought it up, how many goals have MUFC actually conceded this season when Varane, Martinez and Casemiro have all started?

TheCitizen · 09-02-2023 09:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218897#Comment_120218897

Not that we know of yet

yourdeadwright · 09-02-2023 10:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218916#Comment_120218916

More goals than when VVD,Konate & Fabiano have started together this season ,

Cookiemunster · 09-02-2023 10:39AM

So the argument is that Man Utd, who have played 2 more games than Liverpool, have conceded the same amount of goals is it?

10 of those goals were in two games. Neither of which Casemiro started and only one where Varane started. So 18 goals conceded in the other 20 games. 7 clean sheets. Not too bad really.

Also 13 wins out of 22 for Utd v 8 wins out of 20 for Liverpool.

It's almost as if goals conceded is an irrelevant stat and form and actually winning games is the reason both teams are being spoken about on different terms.

rob316 · 09-02-2023 10:47AM

2-4 years for a resolution? Those allegations will hang over every game City play in for that, any title they win in that time. If the PL have strong evidence, can't they wrap this up before the start of next season?

yourdeadwright · 09-02-2023 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219118#Comment_120219118

I didn't make an argument i made a statement that footballs a funny old game

Yes i know United have been the better side this season that is quite obvious & true e

United are seen as being good & tight at the back & Liverpool have without question been an absolute circus act for the majority of the season but both have conceded the same amount of goals .

As i said its a funny old game,

IncognitoMan · 09-02-2023 11:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219149#Comment_120219149

And that will only be up to 2018.

City currently "generate" more income than current Spainish & CL winners, (14 time CL winners at that) and possibly the most well known club in the world Real Madrid... somehow :D Outside of football I'd bet a lot of people don't even know there is another team in Manchester and they want us to believe they are generating more income than Utd, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Barca etc...

And the difference is not TV rights - Real made 160m euros from La Liga last season. City made 184m euros. Real won a CL which along with their super cup win adds another ~90m or so in prize money. City got less than 60m from CL. That's before considering the massive gap in commercial power between the 2 clubs for selling merchandise and sponsors etc.. It just doesn't add up unless there is a dodgy sponsor in there.

I'd love to place a bet on there being one and looked up City's official betting partner 8xBet but I can't seem to place a bet with them for some reason... :D

An investigation into the period between 2018 and 2027 will show even more financial doping.

Cookiemunster · 09-02-2023 11:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219156#Comment_120219156

Again. United have played more games. 10 of those goals came in two games at the start of the season. Recent form is why they are spoken of differently. It's not in any way a 'funny old game'.

breezy1985 · 09-02-2023 11:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219238#Comment_120219238

Love when you google them you get

"8Xbet is a trustworthy online gambling site in Asia. The mission and vision of 8Xbet is to provide honest and trustworthy services"

I think we can trust them 🤣

Fitz* · 09-02-2023 12:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218916#Comment_120218916

I could be wrong here but I did a quick check.

It looks like there is 5 games where the trio have started together from the outset. There is 2 games where they conceded 0 goals. But in two of the remaining 3 games, Varane had gone off before Utd conceded, and the other was when Utd conceded after Casemiro was sent off.

There is a lot of examples of at least 1 of the 3 coming off of the bench to play or going off early and then the goals are conceded.

pjohnson · 09-02-2023 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219156#Comment_120219156

Its not the game thats funny.

ceegee · 09-02-2023 02:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219670#Comment_120219670

I think Palace away was the only goal conceded in the league with Varane, Case and Martinez on the pitch.

TheCitizen · 09-02-2023 02:54PM

Good article in the Irish Indo today from Daniel McDonnell.

The rest of the so called “big 6” in England have no legs to stand on and are in no place to claim the high moral ground. Puts into perspective the grandstanding of fans of other EPL clubs on here and elsewhere.

It’s under a paywall but worth the few euros.

Fitz* · 09-02-2023 03:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220174#Comment_120220174

Yeah I think that's it. There hasn't been a large sample size as there has not been many games the 3 have completed the 90.

Depends on what way you look at it - they form a formidable trio who ensure clean sheets / the trio cannot be relied upon to play together for 80+ mins consistently.

machiavellianme · 09-02-2023 03:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220337#Comment_120220337

There's scarcely a provable fact in it, mostly heresay and speculation. For all we know, you could be Daniel McDonnell.

For example the following is complete nonsense by suggesting that because City distorted the field by paying more, others somehow benefitted. Grasping at straws to fill inches in a rag:

"It could be argued that they have all financially benefited from City’s prominent role in bumping up the Premier League to its current perch way above all rival leagues. There are players and managers happy to leave Champions League clubs in major European countries to potter around in midtable (at best) in the Midlands of England with Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Wolves or whoever else is waving the biggest cheque in their direction."

I can't imagine many people took out subscriptions purely to watch City. That money would have come anyway and the so-called stars would have ended up in the Premier league regardless at Liverpool, Arsenal, Utd, etc for smaller fees and reduced wages as Madrid can't have everyone, Barca are paupers and the other leagues are 1 horse races.

breezy1985 · 09-02-2023 03:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220563#Comment_120220563

So in fact everyone should be thanking and praising City for helping their rivals by cheating.

Man City. A great bunch of lads.

McFly85 · 09-02-2023 04:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220337#Comment_120220337

It’s utter nonsense, and a similar view to a few ex city players and staff. Arguing that City breaking the rules is better for the league, or that anyone complaining about them is sour grapes is complete deflection.

City broke the rules they signed up to over a hundred times over multiple seasons, and looking at the leaked mails they knew exactly what they were doing.

Trying to say that the rules are crap or we’ve made the league better is missing the point entirely.