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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    For the third time, it takes varying time to prep, refurbish and send equipment. Some batches are arriving very shortly, like the Canadian Leopard 2's, other countries, like the UK, estimate arrival of their Challenger's by about March. Some of the German and Dutch Leopard 1's that are being refurbished may not even arrive this year.

    I suggest reading the news instead of all this "bewildered" incredulity and guesses.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's all too often like it's a different planet. Though in the past Muscovites have told me the provinces can feel like that to them. The problem for Russia is those Russians who live on this planet and there are enough of them, either keep their heads down for obvious reasons, or simply leave for equally obvious reasons and the latter had accelerated over the last decade and really ramped up since this war started.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Three Leopards from Portugal are having their spots touched up, then they should arrive next month.

    Lesson for Europe; spend a bit more on maintaining your materiel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,677 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    It's Thursday. One shows up on Thursday like clockwork. Perhaps the embassy is only open Thursday->Sunday like some coffee shops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Russian terrorist Ihor Mangushev died today in the hospital without regaining consciousness after being severely wounded in the head by "his own" in the rear area of the occupied city of Kadiyevka. We wrote earlier in this post who could have "executed" Mangushev.


    Back in the summer, he participated in a satanic performance from the stage and showed off that he was holding the skull of one of the defenders of Mariupol.


    And within six months, his own skull was shot through, bringing Mangushev to his knees by other Russian militants, with whom he did not share anything.

    Well there's one that won't need hunting down and assassinating afterwards. One Nazi fewer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Because prisoners have no time on their hands according to you


    The evidence to the contrary is this independent Russian media outlet report

    [translated]

    "Not only human rights activists, but also the convicts themselves, who remained in the colonies, but by telephone can still contact their comrades who left for the war, talk about heavy losses among the recruited prisoners.

    “It seems to me that at least 30-40 deaths are known reliably, for sure,” says a prisoner from Yaroslavl IK-2, from where 110 people were taken in August. According to him, a volunteer from this colony, with whom Mediazona spoke before his departure for the war, has stopped communicating since mid-autumn, but so far they have not received reports of his death in the colony."


    "Human rights activist and former political prisoner Ivan Astashin wrote that recruiters again began to come to the camps of Mordovia at the end of November: “In particular, for the second time representatives of the Wagner PMC visited the IK-10 special regime, where this time about 60 enrolled in the ranks of Prigozhin’s army convicts."

    The creator of the telegram channel Resident of MLS reported in December about a “new enrollment” in Smolensk IK-6, Karelian IK-9 and Chelyabinsk IK-1. He told Mediazone that, according to his information, they repeatedly came to the colony in Voronezh , the first time they took 107 people there, the second - about 40.

    In his colony , there was no second intake yet, and in the fall, about 250 people were taken from them, although initially twice as many enrolled. Some, according to "Resident of the MLS", were "rejected" by the FSB officers, for some "it worked that they talked with relatives.""



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Meanwhile, back in the real world.

    Zelensky's mini-tour has been highly successful. Solidified the British support yesterday and now tearing it up in the EU Parliament.

    One of my friends is a Brussels insider; says it is truly remarkable the change within the institutions inside of a year: "the EU became a proper superpower, and it's all down to Putin".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Was watching one of Binkov's recent Youtube videos on equipment going to Ukraine and glanced at the comments, definitely seems to be a significant uptick in Russian bots. Likewise this thread seems to have an influx of new accounts recently.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Pro Ukrainian to the point of delusion, despite all evidence to the contrary

    Swap out "Ukrainian" for "Russian" and it works just as well, if not significantly moreso. For example the pro Russian side is far more filled with conspiracy theory stuff and a constantly shifting narrative. When a Russian official at the UN goes on about weaponised genetically modified mosquitos and birds it tends to suggest we're not in Kansas anymore. Never mind platoons of African American NATO troops, brigades of Polish troops(who want to take and control west Ukraine of course), French advisors in the tunnels of Mariupol(who miraculously vanished) and more currently, secret stashes of NATO weapons/advisors in the salt mines of Bakhmut and/or thousands of Bhakmut civillians(and why to protect them Russia doesn't want to airstrike the place...). None of this comes with any actual evidence of course, even on official media sources. It's hearsay, a woman in the shops told me level of stuff to a degree that Fox news would be embarrassed. And it seems to work on their audience.

    Never mind the many "feints" and "tactical withdrawals". Whatever about Kherson(which was a sensible military move), the "reasons" for Kharkiv were Monty Python levels of surreal and funny. One narrative was a large number of Russian troops contracts had ended all at the same time so they just left, leaving it to the Ukrainians(yep. That was wheeled out many times). That's before we get to the wonder weapons and Russia's only sent in their old gear, but will send in their secret top quality gear soon, with the near constant over the last year of "just you wait and see".

    Pro Ukrainians most certaintly have their delusions but pro Russians seem to gorge on them and come up with many more on a near weekly basis, while conveniently getting amnesia about last week's one.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,621 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Eh? That wasnt a tweet from Elon Musk, it was a statement issued by president of SpaceX as reported on by a news outlet.

    Presumably SpaceX would like more than just the USA to use their rockets to get payloads into orbit and beyond, so trying to remain neutral-ish is a smart business decision



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,680 ✭✭✭Rawr


    That's an interesting point. The EU has been an economic superpower in many ways, but lacked the military dimention to be classified as a superpower in the more traditional sense.

    Russia's adventure in Ukraine may have galavanised the need for the EU to harmonise its military abilities and make it a proper superpower. All thanks to Vlad over there, who may have actually tried to destroy the EU by backing Brexit. Together with galvanizing a common sense of Ukrainian statehood, old Putin might have scored the biggest own-goal in recient geo-political history.

    But yes....he remains a master strategist :P



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,621 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The EU will be even less of a military "superpower" after this as it will take up to a decade to replenish the equipment given to Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    The thing about being neutral in this case is that it is actually taking the side of the Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,680 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Oh for sure. Pushing all of that gear over to Ukraine needs to trigger a replacment program for everything that got sent. One effect of this is that I think we're going to see a lot of the old Soviet stock getting completely flushed out of Eastern EU armies and replaced with NATO-standard kit. My hope is that this conflict has triggered a series of modernisation programs to ensure that everyone facing Russia has got the same tech-level as what Ukraine ideally end up at as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Yeah, it's a bit more nuanced in that NATO (which nearly all EU states belong to) officially controls the military aspect but the EU itself is in lockstep with all those military decisions. Obviously the Americans play a huge role too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    All my thoughts concerning those filth involve loss of life by various violent means, but fine, if you want me to part with one, I'll hand it over, I'm really quite generous, sometimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Who is claiming that mercenaries have to be from NATO Countrys???? I'm not talking about loyalty, by their very nature, mercenaries' throughout history are and always have been paid fighters. I speak about quality. Lots of ex US / UK/ French ( Foreign Legion ) military join civilian security forces when their military contract ends. The question is what kind of rabble Wagner is recruiting? Would your Monaghan friend work for them? Oh, BTW, I've been in a war or two, and I've seen mercenaries at work. Give me an ex-NATO or US mercenary any day over a Wagner monster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    All in all, he's just another prick, knows fúck all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    He just needs some re-education. He is subject to thought control.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,621 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    a lot of that stuff has been sent already - in the first year most of stuff supplied was Soviet equipment from ex-Warsaw pact states.

    The problem is that many of those tanks/bmps donated were done so with the understanding that they would be replaced by NATO gear (Leopards/Marders etc) - great news for Rheinmettal, but the downside of the order book growing and growing is that the time until EU members have their stocks replenished keeps getting further and further away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Starlink has been used by the Ukrainians to defend their country militarily for almost a year now. It's bizarre that Starlink have suddenly decided to "draw a line" regarding offensive drone use (which Ukrainians have been doing since the column outside Kyiv last March). Musk threatened to pull funding for Starlink before, so it's natural to suspect he is behind this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    I'm pretty confident in predicting that this will be reversed. Remember this did happen before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Let me know when France parts with one of their nuclear powered and nuclear ICBM carrying submarines. Actually, it's quite amazing how much Ukraine is achieving with so little being given them. Not one western fighter jet or attack helicopters. What's been given to Ukraine is pocket change. Count the large denomination notes left in the wallet and you'll see that it's still full.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Epstein and his band of rich peado clients != russian army/mercenaries raping, relocating kids to Russia and into porn/peudo hands, civilian infrastructure destruction. Though they are both unequal, both are wrong and both sets involved should be strung up by their balls (or female equivalant)

    Did anyone have FIAT currency as the reason for this war?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    True, posters here care not that Ukrainian forces have been shelling their own citizens in the Donbass for the guts of a decade, but get all offended when Russia steps in to protect these people.

    OK, let's tease this particular Russian talking point out.

    I'll start by saying the Russian position is 100% accurate* and they sent in the troops to protect these people. OK. Never mind Ukrainian nationalist civillians, how many Russian seperatist civilians and general passersby died in the ten year Donbas conflict? Independent and Russian/Ukrainian figures hover around the 10-15,000 figure and the majority of them were killed between 2014 and 2016, so no matter which "side" was to blame, the killings had substantially fallen off in numbers, yet Russia decides to "protect them" years later? How many hamlets, towns and cities were reduced to rubble between 2014 and 2022? How many have been reduced to rubble in the last 12 months? Again never mind Ukrainians, how many Russians seperatists and armed forces have been killed or injured in the last 12 months in Donbas?

    So even if one believes all the Russian narratives, lock, stock and barrel, Russia's actions in the last 13 months have killed, injured and displaced many times over the number of the very people they claim they started this Special Military Operation to "protect". How does that work then?

    I try to avoid "sides" because bullshít is a constantly renewable resource in geopolitics and war. I prefer to look at realities and clear outcomes and I'm afraid Russia comes out of this substantively worse. If Russia had not invaded tens of thousands would not be dead, tens of thousands would not be crippled, millions would not be displaced, towns and cities would not be rubble, her economy would not be under serious threat and World War Three would not be gaining traction.




    *hint; it's not and many independent agencies saw both sides doing the killing. To suggest otherwise would be akin to someone claiming only the IRA or UVF were killing and maiming in The Troubles.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    There is nothing to debate with you as you repeat Russian propaganda without evidence they has been discussed here countless times.

    So who would you hand over to the Russian soldiers first, your grandmother, your mother, or your sister? I deliberately left out wife/girlfriend/daughter because it would mean leaving your parents box room, and there’s little chance that has happened in donkey years.

    Post edited by Fighting Tao on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Rheinmetall from Germany discussing the possibility of sending it's newest tank (Panther) and IFV (Lynx) to Ukraine down the line




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,621 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Ukraine had the 2nd largest standing army in Europe (Russia 1st) at the start of this, the 2nd most tanks in Europe (Russia 1st), same story with self propelled guns, towed artillery pieces, MLRS.

    And on top of that they've gotten almost 100bn USD in military aid since Feb 22 - I would not call that "so little being given them"

    They were certainly an 'economically depressed' nation at the start of this, but they were not lacking in military firepower



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