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Death of Nicola Bulley, Lancashire UK

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭ratracer


    It was really very very odd, and extremely unprofessional, of the water search lad to be speaking out so much in public.

    Even though he was investigating privately, it is very poor form for him to be making statements like he did, while an active investigation is still ongoing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    They probably need to agree not to talk about an ongoing case before starting, but I'm not sure if that's realistic. I doubt there were too many available with the required equipment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭ratracer


    It seemed a desperate attempt to promote his company and ‘look at me’ type stuff as opposed to any care at all for the client/ family.

    Just very unprofessional IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭denismc


    Most of these search and rescue organizations are made up of volunteers so there isn't much to promote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    The guy has specialised sonar equipment, he was brought in and I presume paid by the police.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,662 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I think he offered his services on Facebook to the family and they requested the police to use him , so I don't think he's being paid.

    That said he's getting publicity and if they found her it would have been great. Which is why I think he's so adamant that she's not in the river as his technology couldn't find her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭denismc


    There are organizations like that in Ireland with the best of equipment, they are often better equipped than the police divers.

    Most of the divers that carried out the the Thai cave rescue a number of years back were amateur divers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Carol25


    If the police are wrong re the fall into the river theory, valuable time has been lost, forensic areas tampered with and apparently the old abandoned house close by not searched? Doesn’t sound like they’re on top of things to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The most he can say is that she’s not in the section of river that he searched (And that’s assuming his equipment and methodology is infallible). He wasn’t involved in searching the full river out to sea, he only did a limited section - whereas the Police are searching much further.

    Two men went missing in Ennis the other week, within a day of each other. One body was found the following Sunday in the river in the town (by sub aqua club volunteer divers). The other was found by a member of the public washed up on a beach in the Shannon estuary near Carrigaholt 60km away on the Saturday, where no one was searching. Same river, same timeframe and conditions, 60km difference in where they were found.

    It would be irresponsible to rule out the river.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Unfortunately I’d say that the most likely scenario is she fell in the river somehow and was washed out to sea.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    The old house on the hill needs to be searched, I find it hard to believe that he family didn't look there, if the police wasn't bothered. I know I'd not be waiting for someone else to search it, I'd do it myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Apparently people have trespassed and searched nearby properties. The problem is that if there was foul play they could have contaminated a crime scene.

    Armchair detectives should stay on their armchairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,119 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I don't know what happened to her. There's lots of speculation online about it and lots of people trying to get their five minutes of fame on TikTok.

    The one thing I would say is The Police often more than they tell the public at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Launches book, next day offers to find Nicola,

    pinned tweet of book

    Yea he got his publicity .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    So crazy how people go out there thinking they're Sherlock Holmes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    Interesting article about a 16 year old boy who crashed their motorbike on the same day 45 years ago and entered the river not far from where Nicolas phone was found. He wasn't found until 2 months later.

    https://www.lep.co.uk/news/nicola-bulley-we-know-her-familys-pain-say-preston-family-who-lost-a-son-in-the-same-stretch-of-river-on-the-same-day-45-years-ago-4019028



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭SteM


    So crazy how people go out there thinking they're Sherlock Holmes


    Make up your mind mate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    Sad to hear. I used to spend a lot of time by a river and always dreaded coming across a body.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    Would a spaniel follow its owner into a river?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    For the police to announce that she defiantly fell into the river and there was no foul play before they have recovered her body struck me as very odd. Maybe just unprofessional.

    I don't know how long it took for the police to issue a search of the river but you'd think they'd have done so within a couple of days of her disappearance.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Kingston Rough Snowball


    Yes, as I posted above this river and the bay it feeds is subject to the third greatest tidal range in the world, so there are tremendous forces going both up and down steam in parts. Some decades ago a large team Chinese shellfish pickers were drowned by the force of the tide which comes in very abruptly. There are tons of sandbanks and channels. It’s a hydrodynamically a very unstable area. The high levees by the river where Nicola was walking are there for a reason.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Kingston Rough Snowball


    I find it strange that the person who came upon her phone and dog did not act more decisively, appointment or not, unless of course she was going to a crucial medical appointment expecting bad news or something like that. The first thing I would think of seeing a phone abandoned and a dog in distress (whimpering and chasing around like a headless chicken maybe) and no sign of the owner anywhere in vicinity, is that something is off. My default tendency would be to first wait up to 10 minutes, imagining the owner might have been caught short and had hidden in bushes to relieve themselves, then if no show contact the police and wait for them to arrive, give my details and then go about my way. I would be immensely curious as to what had happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Nicola is known to put her phone on loudspeaker and leave it down, so could have placed it on bench as she was interacting with dog. So Nicola could have been the one who placed it on bench



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Kingston Rough Snowball


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    The River Wyre empties into the vast & treacherous expanse of Morecambe Bay sand and mud. Often mud rescues have to be done here by hovercraft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    The expert diver who came in to search for her said it's IMPOSSIBLE for a body to get washed out to sea from where she went missing, too many twists and turns, and snags in the river, and that the river is actually shallow just down stream, too low for his boat, had to walk it, that a body drops in a drowning, moves only a few meters, and that he is adamant she's not in the location she was last seen, that police divers are experts, and they searched over and over, and he did also with his sonar , nothing was found, not even an item that one might have in ones pockets, a pen, a wallets, a card, money, not a thing was located, which is a first for him, it's just not possible, never seen anything like it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Yes, but she could be buried beneath several feet of mud - which on a riverbed can be like quicksand - and therefore invisible to divers and undetectable to this so-called state of the art sonar tracing equipment. She was also dressed in heavy winter clothing which would have hampered her attempts to swim back to the bank - assuming she fell in accidentally. She could have waded in deliberately having decided to take her own life. I don't know how the police and Peter Faulding can now state that she categorically did not enter the water which is the complete opposite to what they were saying twenty four hours ago.



  • Posts: 290 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Be that as it may, there is no tidal bore on the River Wyre. The only river in Morecambe Bay with one is on the River Kent on the opposite side of the Bay - the Arnside Bore. The River Wyre isn't even tidal at the point where Ms Bulley went missing.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭screamer


    I feel very sorry for her family, it is everyone’s nightmare situation and her poor little kids, how do you explain that to a child. I have no idea what happened to the lady, the river doesn’t look particularly deep or dangerous where shes supposed to have gone in, but still waters run deep I guess. There’s a weir on the river further down stream so I don’t know how or if a body would go over that. I can certainly see the police’s logic, she disappeared in 10 minutes, leaving her phone there on the bench, which looks perilously close to the river. It may all be staged or it may just be the simplest explanation is what happened. We can all speculate and have our theories but we may never know the truth. I do think the police should have swept all the sheds/ buildings in the vicinity already, that just seems common sense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Good point. The bank is quite steep, isn’t it? You’d think even if the dog was nervous about going into the water there that it would have paced or done that two legged stomping that dogs do which would have created disturbance in the ground. Unless the ground was rock hard ???



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