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  • #3422
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213873#Comment_120213873

    What right wing organizations in Ireland do important work, comparable do the work you accept is important that is done by Left wing ones?



  • #3423
    BoxcarWilliam99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214121#Comment_120214121

    Where do you think the money for the 34,000 ngos comes from?


    Big business generating revenue and creating employment which the exchequer takes a cut from.

    Without the drive for profit your NGOs don't exist.

    They are incapable of self funding. They rely on the success of the capitalist economy



  • #3424
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214148#Comment_120214148

    Sorry, I'm not buying that line.

    You can't simultaneously claim the media, big tech, education institutions, numerous global companies etc (not you specifically but plenty on the right) are 'woke' but also are right wing.

    Try again. What right wing NGO organisations do important work?



  • #3425
    BoxcarWilliam99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214173#Comment_120214173

    The whole system is ran for profit. It's all built on generation and accumulation of profit . Good ol' Right wing capitalism

    The tax take from these capitalist activites funds the leftist ngo complex


    Regardless of whether you are "buying it" or not it's true



  • #3426
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214231#Comment_120214231

    Its very telling and unsurprising that this is what you are left with when trying to argue for right wing organisations that do important work.

    Seeing as you've double down on this, I take it you'll never again be referring to woke companies or industries. Can't have it both ways.



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  • #3427
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213861#Comment_120213861

    Yeah you seem to think Antifa is running 4000 schools and a huge amount of disability, healthcare and sports organisations in the country. 🤣

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #3428
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214148#Comment_120214148

    Yes. This is how taxes work; they fund schools, disability services, sports clubs, community centres. You repeating Gript far right propaganda and lies about 5bn going to lefties doesnt make it true. The vast majority of the 5bn goes to healthcare, community centres, disability services, sports, educations.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #3429
    BoxcarWilliam99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214266#Comment_120214266

    And how is the money generated ?

    Good ol' right wing capitalism.

    The whole financial system is right wing . And without it the 34000 NGOs don't exist



  • #3430
    Hoop66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    You've been thoroughly rumbled there. Bleating on about "they wouldn't exist without capitalism" just makes it worse.



  • #3431
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214283#Comment_120214283

    Taxes. Its called taxes. The vast majority of us have no problem with taxes paying for 4000 schools, lots of healthcare and disability services, community centres, sports facilities..... the lies and propaganda that Gript is coming out with about where the 5bn are just not true.

    Its brilliant; our tax money pays for vital community amenities like schools, disability facilities, sports facilities, community centres.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #3432
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214121#Comment_120214121

    If you could tell me the right wing organisations that receive state funding I will let you know which ones I believe do important work. Thank you.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #3433
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119970329#Comment_119970329

    Could write a lot about this.

    Two word answer, Rupert Murdoch.



  • #3434
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,947 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Jesus, are we really onto shilling neoliberal economic bollox now? Seriously?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #3435
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214559#Comment_120214559

    This is the equivalent of blaming the rise of the left on George Soros.

    Much political discourse now takes place online Opinions are formed on Twitter, Facebook etc more so now than after consuming legacy media. Newspaper sales have plummeted in the past 10 years as have the number of people who regularly watch cable news.

    It is a lazy, wrong headed argument to credit one person with the rise of right wing sentiment. Much of it is a reaction to left wing politic thought. All white people are racist, men can have babies, rapist men who identify as women should be put in female prisons.

    The right has risen because what is considered right wing now has shifted dramatically in the past decade. You can’t blame Murdoch for that.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-rupert-murdoch/2013/11/08/341837ea-47bf-11e3-b6f8-3782ff6cb769_story.html

    Post edited by SafeSurfer on

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #3436
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,947 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    By the same logic, modern right wing thought is essentially white supremacy, fascism and all manner of anti-factual conspiracy theories. I see nothing to admire or respect here.

    Post edited by ancapailldorcha on

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #3437
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214908#Comment_120214908

    Really?

    here is the Collins Dictionary definition of the far right

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    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #3438
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Also, you think eugenics is right wing?

    Think again.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/17/eugenics-skeleton-rattles-loudest-closet-left

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #3439
    BoxcarWilliam99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214337#Comment_120214337

    Lol. We know it's called taxes.

    Taxes on profit and income.

    No profit and no income (jobs) equals no taxes.

    Hence the for profit right wing economic model that pays the left ngos, the hospitals, the schools, the social welfare and services etc etc.

    Right wing system makes it all possible



  • #3440
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215258#Comment_120215258

    Ok. But Gript still spread absolute garbage lies and propaganda about "NGOs" and you're even in on that act; schools are not left NGOs, community centres are not left NGOs, sports halls are not left NGOs, Disability centres and homes are not left NGOs.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #3441
    BoxcarWilliam99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215299#Comment_120215299

    It's not me that keeps mentioning Gript. They are about as credible as RTE are impartial



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  • #3442
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215258#Comment_120215258

    The right wing doesn't own the concept of business/companies/economy etc. you could argue, easily, that given the taxes element and the hatred of the right wing of the concept that the supply line of company-income-taxes is left wing.

    Not that anyone is advocating for it, but even in communism in Russia, there was still wages paid to people.



  • #3443
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214490#Comment_120214490

    I read this as a tad ironic of an indictment of the right 🤣 I kid, I kid, but,

    Nobody can apparently think of a “right wing” NGO (in Ireland anyway) that does impeccable work



  • #3444
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,947 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Looks like the far right outlet GB News have peddled so much antisemitism that Jewish groups have had to ask them to stop:

    The UK’s leading Jewish organisation and a group of MPs have called on GB News and the media regulator Ofcom to tackle the broadcaster’s indulgence of conspiracy theories, warning that some recent segments and guests risked spreading ideas linked to antisemitism.

    The criticism comes as the channel faces increasing scrutiny over its mix of serious news with programmes that delve heavily into conspiracies about areas including Covid vaccines and a plot to create a world government.

    The decision by the Board of Deputies of British Jews and the all-party parliamentary group against antisemitism to speak out follows a recent edition of the weekly GB News show hosted by Neil Oliver, the broadcaster and historian.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/feb/08/jewish-groups-urge-gb-news-to-stop-indulging-conspiracy-theories?utm_source=POLITICO.EU&utm_campaign=86787aa70f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_02_08_06_41&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-86787aa70f-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #3445
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214881#Comment_120214881

    George Soros is more comparable with the likes of the Kocj brothers than Rupert Murdoch.

    Murdoch has ran very focused media outlets in the US, UK and Australia that have been at the very top of the ratings chart in each market segment in which they operate. And he has pushed very right wing narratives through these outlets.

    Trump would not have become President but for Fox News, Brexit would not have happened but for the Sun.

    To suggest that the right have only arisen in popularity because of the action of the left is again a concise summary example of the thread title.

    What Left ideals over the last decade have been more impactful than Trump, Science Denial, Brexit, War in Ukraine, Climate etc etc etc?



  • #3446
    BoxcarWilliam99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215407#Comment_120215407

    You could argue it but I doubt anyone would buy it.



  • #3447
    BruteStock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215416#Comment_120215416

    Yeah so much antisemitism, yet you would find it extremely difficult to find examples of such. Even your own link states that antisemitism may occur, not has occurred .



  • #3448
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215413#Comment_120215413

    The request was for a list of state funded right wing organisations. You haven’t listed any.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #3449
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215371#Comment_120215371

    You're the one parroting Gript lies and propaganda

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #3450
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215488#Comment_120215488

    Provide the list of state funded NGOs, period?

    So far, only seen a cherry picked selection of about 5 or 6 orgs named in this thread.



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  • #3451
    charlie_says
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215299#Comment_120215299

    Can you find one right wing NGO that receives government funding? Just an example to show us that they are all not leftie as you claim.



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