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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    flame on.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    Well you are correct that it has shown the importance of alliances. Economic alliances, however, have always taken precedence over military one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,784 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    That doesnt really explain eg Germany divesting itself of Russian energy in light of Russian military actions. Or Hungarys actions.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    You know that Patriarch of the orthodox church mate of Putin's, who dresses in raiments probably costing more than most people's houses; who wears a watch so expensive it has to be photoshopped out of photos, who clearly skipped the bit about the likelihood of camels to pass through the eye of a needle? Well it turns out...

    Putin's patriarch was a spy in Switzerland,- SonntagsZeitung This was reported by two publications Le Matin Dimanche and SonntagsZeitung, at once, citing declassified archives.

    In the period from 1969 to 1989, Cyril worked for the KGB and was an intelligence officer whose main task was to influence the World Council of Churches, after which he returned to the USSR and began to grow rapidly in the church hierarchy.

    Which goes a long way to explaining why every SBU raid on Orc Orthodox church premises in Ukraine, uncovers a close facsimile of the contents of Jason Bourne's Swiss bank deposit box.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,069 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




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    Do you really think that Russian attribute means much against the very people that likely demonstrated it the most? The Ukrainians, as part of the USSR?

    This war has huge potential to drag on, but Ukraine has the support of the West, Russia are pretty much on their own and haemorrhaging lives and income.

    if it’s down to a who can outlast who Id back Ukraine every time. After all they know the fire fate that awaits them if they have to live under Russian barbarism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    Well, Germany are now paying 4 times the price for gas from the US than they were pre-Nordstream demolition. That extra cost has to be recouped somewhere. So who is jacking up your energy costs? Expensive LNG from the US or cheap gas from Russia?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I hate to break it to you, but here in Ireland we didn't get cheap gas from Russia. It comes from the Corrib field and the UK, which in turn gets it from Norway and their own stock.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    You can't get "kicked" out of the EU. It isn't a club where if others don't agree with you then they expel you like a frat-house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Useless bunch of overpaid bureaucrats in this situation. Not fit for purpose.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,784 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Oh look. When your theory is discredited by facts you cant explain - you gish gallop away onto another point.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    Can you provide some sources that Germany are paying 4 times the price for gas compared to this time last year. The chart below seems to suggest it's broadly the same but maybe you have more reliable data ?

    https://ycharts.com/indicators/germany_natural_gas_border_price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Truly. Their contribution to this conflict has pretty much been a few speeches and half baked pleas to be peaceful and nice to one another then line up for a nice photo shoot before sitting down to a tasty dinner and mumble something about working to end world poverty and climate change before flying back home.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Because I know a couple of pro Russian folks I hear this a lot and have done for months. Though the figure varies. That and Germany is crippled, companies are shutting down/leaving Germany in droves and so forth.

    And a more recent one is that the US are planning for a war with China in 2024(they're remarkably clued into US military intelligence and precise about this) over Taiwan and are war gaming it and expect to lose at least a couple of carriers. "Experts" from the usual Russian sources tell them this(for the English speakers from what I can gather this would be a bald American chap who speaks in a monotone living in SE Asia and a couple of Greek guys, some US ex general or other and Scott Ritter of course, though he's faded a bit into the background). And talk of "One China" when previously I suspect they would find difficulty in placing even huge China on a map, never mind the minutiae of Chinese geopolitics. That this will soon make the US pivot from Ukraine as it's costing them too much to see them/NATO losing. When I bring up the 50% of land Russia took and then lost, these were "tactical withdrawals" so another flavour of the Kiev "feint". And "just you wait and see".

    Others are the EU won't be around in ten years, Poland wants to take half of Ukraine and have planned this for decades(they seem obsessed with this point actually and from the start), so Ukraine will be "Russian" up to the Dnieper, "Polish" for much of the west of the country with only Kiev and a bit around it "Ukrainian". That Russia has only been sending their old out of date military stuff and are holding the really good kit in reserve for when the push comes. Oh and that Russia has air superiority and fly heavy bomber runs daily, but the reason they don't use these to bomb Bakhmut - and this cracks me up - is because they're trying to save the people of Bakhmut hiding in the tunnels/salt mines. They also have hypersonic "bunker busters" but don't use these for the same reasons. That they buy this after the rubble of Mariupol and everything else, the slaughter of not just their enemy, but the tens of thousands of their own people, including the people Russia claims to have started this shítshow to protect, quite simply beggars belief. Though I have noted a difference between Russian speakers and English speakers on this point. The latter choose to ignore it, the former seem to view it moe as a necessary "sacrifice" for the Greater Good(tm) against the Evils of the West(c).

    For me anyway, and maybe I'm wired funnily(no maybe about it), but I find it horrifically fascinating how sides and lines are so very easily drawn all over the place. TBH I would prefer if a couple more Russian "voices" were present on this thread, rather than the all too juvenile Orcs stuff as a given. Yes, I do prefer "two sides" even and especially if I vehemently disagree with one on the vast majority of points. I have an allergy to cock sure echo chambers of any stripe. But that's just me. 🤷‍♂️

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    You really couldn't make this sh1t up!!!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    More delusion from the russian propaganda machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    No delusion here,they know what they are fighting for,their very survival.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    They cannot alone, but Turkey has been turning hostile towards a growing list of EU (& NATO) countries for years now. The stuff with Finland and Sweden being blocked from NATO membership, Turkey's continued warm relations with Russia and Putin post invasion of Ukraine is the most recent and worst. They must be almost friendless in the EU now except maybe Orbán's Hungary (!?).

    The EU accession candidate status, participation in EU Customs agreements and such are possibly an obsolete holdover from the past, not long for this world. If Erdogan messes with the election or does something even worse to stay on in power (I just can't see him going from office quietly anyway...does not seem in character) the remaining relationships will likely go up in smoke for good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Source for this?

    The war and rapid disconnection from Russia as an energy provider and instability have increased energy costs across the board, so why are you asking "who" has increased energy costs? Is something else occurring according to you, if so, what is it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    Well I suppose this is worth a look:

    Why cheap US gas costs a fortune in Europe – POLITICO

    American gas costs a lot more to harvest than gas in say Russia or Kazakhztan. As for oil, again American oil, specifically the tar sands stuff and the gas from fracking costs a fortune to extract. If the price of a barrel of oil dropped to $25 dollars, Russia could still produce at a profit. Oil fields (and oil companies in the US would be out of business overnight). These are just raw economic numbers. It's not a great mystery. A farmer in Tipperary with 5 acres can probably produce an abundant harvest of potatoes or rhubarb or vegetables. A farmer in Connemara with the same amount of land is going to be scratching at the stones.

    Russian gas and oil is cheap.

    American gas and oil is expensive.


    I don't need to spell it out any more simply than that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭macraignil


    You just claimed a few posts back that gas prices in Germany are now four times what they were before the russian invasion of Ukraine. This link below has a graph of EU natural gas prices and shows the current price is the same now as it was in September 2021 after which the EU decided on not buying material from the terrorist state and support their continued occupation of another European countries territory and the murder of its civilian population. I don't see why you should expect other people to do the work of discrediting your lies.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    well said Wibbs, and no, there is no true history available anywhere in ruSSia. I think I have saod this before, but in either 2019 or 2020 I had a time to kill before flight back from Moscow and wandered into one of the book shops, looked at some of the history books for schools - you should see all the rubish and lies there, particulary re WWII period. Acording to them, Nazi Germany was singlehandedly defeated by Soviet Union which in their mind is only ruSSians (other nations not mentioned), no mentioning of British, US, French orr anyone else. No landlease mentining,it was all their heroes and mothers who buld all the tanks and bombs. Oh, and of course, no mentioning about them actually being an allies with Nazi Germany at the beginning of war, in fact if you mention this fact to any vatnik, you will only get back an absolute denial and anger. 'How dare you?! It never happened' they say. And all historical photos with them togehter is apparently photoshop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,439 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That's completely independent of what it costs to buy. Your argument is that the US make less profit on the gas then the russians did when they were able to sell it. That doesn't impact what Germany pays.

    Look, come to the party with facts and figures and stop embarrassing yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    I didn't claim that gas prices were 4 times higher. I stated that the cost of importing LNG from overseas is 4 times higher. The multiplier is not going to immediately be dumped onto the consumer. But ask yourself a question. Has your heating bill at least doubled in the last 12 months? Because if it has only doubled then I would say that you are lucky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    EU gas prices (Natural Gas EU Dutch TTF)

    Peaked at 346 eur at end August

    Now at 58 eur

    Reason: Russian invading Ukraine impacting the European market price of gas. Which, amazingly, fluctuates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    This war is not finishing anytime soon. Also I don't think Ukraine are going to win.

    Look at Syria and Afghanistan for examples how wars can go on for a decade.

    Also think Zelensky is the wrong man for the job. He'll put the last Ukrainian into the meat grinder if he has to. How many lives are worth the bit of land Russia wants? He's too fond of being a celebrity going to golden globes and all this crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Some reports are saying that a major Russian Offensive in the East (Luhassk and Donbas) others may be feints in the next 7-9 days. They are stockpiling ammunition and have upwards of 500,000 ready. Ukrainian forces may have to (and it would be sensible to) withdraw to pre-prepared positions well back from the current front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,439 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    What land do you think putin wants? He tried to take all of Ukraine before sh*tting himself publicly, should he get all of Ukraine just because he embarrassed himself and f*cked russia up for a few decades?

    Zelensky was a comedian, not a war monger, that he's making putin look impotent is on putin himself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,784 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nobody knows what you are claiming as your story shifts in every post.

    This is what you were claiming earlier:

    "Germany are now paying 4 times the price for gas from the US than they were pre-Nordstream demolition."

    And with each claim you seem incapable of providing any external evidence.

    We are asking you for direct evidence to support your actual specific claim.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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