Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Dohnjoe · 06-02-2023 12:26PM

When you go so far left, you end up on the extreme right

https://twitter.com/EHunterChristie/status/1622210074008604672

nigeldaniel · 06-02-2023 12:37PM

Bakhmut falling was always likely to happen. The US told Ukraine to let it go back in September, but it's a rock and a hard place for Ukraine's forces. If they did indeed pull back from Bakhmut, Russian zombies would just try somewhere else so Ukraine had to take a stand despite it all, just to hold off Russia. If those long-range weapons had arrived last Summer I doubt Russia would have made any advance at all, in fact, they would have gone backwards. I think Ukraine's newly trained forces and the new hardware might still need a few more months before they can realistically try a big push against those Russian zombies. I just hope aircraft are next on the list of hardware that Ukraine forces receive, even the French seem to agree without air support, serious air support! things could be much harder when it comes to that counteroffensive.

cnocbui · 06-02-2023 02:11PM

I wonder if the Turks expect the Swedes to send aid and assist in the aftermarth of the tragic earthquake?

Personally I hope Sweden does nothing, but the will, of course, and Erdogan won't thank them or budge one iota.

Dohnjoe · 06-02-2023 02:14PM

..

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1622234261834055688

Strazdas · 06-02-2023 02:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120207486#Comment_120207486

Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union had way more in common with each other than with the other countries in Europe - two authoritarian dictatorships, very few freedoms, concentration camps etc....ideologies of the extreme right and the extreme left. Hitler and Goebbels literally said in their many speeches that they hated democracies and viewed them as corrupt and decadent.

cnocbui · 06-02-2023 03:04PM

Further details to that abhorent evil I posted about earlier. 250,000 rubles is €3,280.46

😱 Russians sell children stolen in Ukraine to the porn business, — Lubinets, human rights commissioner.

This is why the Katsapas stole children from the occupied territories. "Estimates" amount to hundreds of thousands of rubles. For example, they offer 250,000 rubles (130,000 UAH) for a boy who will soon go to school. The correspondence states that the children from Ukraine have no relatives

I cant imagine the gut wrenching pain for Ukrainian authorities tracking and documenting this and all other terrible aspects of these kidnapping of children, and the sense of helplessness they must feel that nothing can be done about it until the conflict is over.

All sanctions breakers should be forced to read their files. >Bleep< India for knowingly enabling them.

threeball · 06-02-2023 03:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120207261#Comment_120207261

Its a bit mad how the US allowed a person who regularly endorses Russian propaganda and other crackpot theories on a regular basis, become the Owner and CEO of one of the most influential mediums of discourse in existence.

SortingYouOut · 06-02-2023 03:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208142#Comment_120208142

Not allowing a person to become the owner or CEO of a company because of their opinions or views isn't exactly great either. I'm sure if you delved into the personal views of other CEO's, you might also disagree with them too. It would be differen't if there wasn't capability on Twitter to engage and provide corrections to incorrect information, but there is and you or anyone has the ability to counter views.

Kermit.de.frog · 06-02-2023 04:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208142#Comment_120208142

The US isn't Russia or China thankfully.

On this whole notion that taking a dispassionate view of the war and giving an opinion makes someone "pro-Russian" - that's absurd.

It's patently obvious there is a huge mismatch in resources between Ukraine and Russia but Ukraine is getting it's key infrastructure battered daily and the amount of bodies Russia can throw at the assault is endless compared to Ukraine.

The military assets the west promise are welcome and needed but my suspicion is it's an easy public relations commitment to make because I don't think the west really believes Ukraine can hold out anyway and so they'll never arrive.

I want Ukraine to win but I fear once the Russians break through in the Spring they'll go on a rampage similar to the start of the war. It could be really quick.

If there is a breakthrough I don't believe for a moment the tanks will be sent.

If this happens the west will have serious choices to make in it's approach to Russia. The sanctions are just not doing enough damage.

We all want Ukraine to win, and they've a chance if they can hold the lines, but there is a really serious challenge coming in the spring. I don't think anyone is under any illusions, least of all Ukraine.

Tense times ahead and the loss of life will be huge regardless of who takes the initiative.

06-02-2023 04:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208341#Comment_120208341

Sorry to break it to you, but the tanks are already en-route.

Your ability to keep up the ‘Russia are an amazing military force’ (I’m paraphrasing) would be hilarious if it wasn’t so serious.

jmreire · 06-02-2023 04:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120207961#Comment_120207961

I think that Sweden and Finland etc, should do what ever they can to help Turkey in this disaster, and not use it as political football to gain any advantages. Forget about the NATO issue for the time being and concentrate on the humanitarian aspect. It would be the human and civilized thing to do.

Wibbs · 06-02-2023 05:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208355#Comment_120208355

They don't have to be "amazing", they just have to endure over time and in losses more than the other guy. It's been the case with nearly every single one of their historical wars. It's damn near Russian military doctrine.

Now Ukrainian and Ukrainians are also willing to endure. More than most "Western" countries too. Even America. If any of the US's wars were showing such losses of people this quickly public and then government opinion would almost certainly shift. No matter whose numbers we believe it's a near certainty that Ukraine's armed forces losses are higher in this one year than the US' losses in twenty years of the Vietnam war and we know how that went down in the end. Ukrainians are of course fighting for their land and people, not on some overseas geopolitical jaunt and I'm quite sure Americans would fight like tigers to the last man if Russia swarmed up from Mexico.

Russia's losses are similar if not likely much higher than Ukraine's and this is an overseas geopolitical jaunt too, yet their populace are still lapping up the rhetoric and bullshíte. THis is not some asymmetric "precision" war like most we've been used since the Korean war went "cold", it's an old style horrific slugfest and the winner will be the one able to keep taking hit after bloody hit while not going down on the canvas. I fear Russia because of their jingoistic martial bullshíte built up by putin over the last twenty years and their seeming total lack of concern for their own young men dying in droves could do it. What could swing that? They respect overwhelming force, but the Ukrainians can't supply that yet and even with tanks etc will they be ever able to? NATO is that overwhelming force, but nukes and other considerations mean Satan will be skating to work in the mornings before they actually go in, even if pro Russian eejits pull the skeleton outa themselves believing their fighting NATO on the ground. Russia is dug in like a tick across much of Donbas, the landbridge and IMHO Crimea is a deadloss and notions of taking it are a fantasy

Now if Russia do "win", what they "win" is another story. Them taking the country is another total fantasy. Taking the country to the Dnieper highly unlikely too unless Ukrainian forces collapse. Donbas, Crimea and the existing landbridge most likely, with only the latter up for grabs, but again this would require that overwhelming force to take. Unless, again though in the other direction Russian forces collapse. Beyond the battlefield they've almost entirely lost Western revenue, investment, distribution, insurance, leasing and financial confidence for the foreseeable future. When money is all that counts outfits like Blackrock and others back Ukraine that tells us where The Money is going and always follow The Money. Military investment is up and will go higher across the same "West" and NATO is expanding. Russia is facing a horrendous demographics crisis, as was the EU to a lesser extent, yet if putin's plan was to "flood" the EU with refugees, even that's backfired. He's just gifted millions of young Europeans to the EU. While losing tens of thousands of his own young men to the reddened mud fields of Ukraine. Never mind the tens of thousaands of young men and women who've fled Russia. Doh!

Basically, even if Russia swarmed across Ukraine in the morning and took it up to the Polish border, they've still lost. And even then they'd be facing a generational asymmetric guerilla war that would make our Irish Troubles look like a garden party at an old folks home.

BorneTobyWilde · 06-02-2023 05:10PM

Elon Musk is sarcastic a lot with his tweets, that tweet was making fun of the numbers stated as he knows it's false info.

Fighting Tao · 06-02-2023 05:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208478#Comment_120208478

No.

Dohnjoe · 06-02-2023 05:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208478#Comment_120208478

It's hard to tell between his conspiracy beliefs and alt right stuff

He's also been caught parroting pro Russian propaganda previously without any hint of sarcasm

indioblack · 06-02-2023 05:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120207535#Comment_120207535

Spot on.

First class response.

Dohnjoe · 06-02-2023 05:50PM

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https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1622602642705850369

Gatling · 06-02-2023 06:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208621#Comment_120208621

Doesn't help that the US owes turkey possibly several billon over the F35 debacle that saw the turks turn to Russia for s400s

Kermit.de.frog · 06-02-2023 06:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208355#Comment_120208355

When did I ever imply the Russian's had an amazing military force? I have nothing but contempt for the Russian military. That doesn't mean I don't think ultimately they can win. We need to be prepared for this. You read what you want to read.

MudSpud · 06-02-2023 06:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208621#Comment_120208621

Turkey are acting in their own interests. Just because they are in NATO doesn't necessarily mean they are going to go along with every NATO decision. France refused to have anything to do with the Iraq War and were pilloried for it. I don't know what their exact reasons were. Turkey have economic ties with Russia and there's also that Turkstream pipeline. So it could be that they are blocking Sweden's entry to keep in Russia's good books for financial reasons.

Francie Barrett · 06-02-2023 07:13PM

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1622653927597514788?t=GHcNELABVMSGfx6UGw7zmg&s=19

The Russians are doing the same wrong thing over and over again in Vuhledar.

MudSpud · 06-02-2023 07:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208733#Comment_120208733

That's not really how business works. If Sweden and Turkey have a problem with one another do you think that other EU states are going to simply cease trading with Turkey because Sweden has a strop. It's not like some "Mean Girls" type movie where the popular girl orders her friends to not talk to someone she doesn't like. Besides it goes a lot deeper than that. There could be as many Swedes who don't want to be part of NATO as those who do. I don't know. When the whole Ukraine debacle is over and end it will, some day, how, I don't know, then there will be other things to consider. Countries look at longer term issues rather than short-term kneejerk decisions. Countries tend to set aside historical animosities when there's money to be made to do so.

Dohnjoe · 06-02-2023 07:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208832#Comment_120208832

There's large public support in Sweden to join NATO.

MudSpud · 06-02-2023 07:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208859#Comment_120208859

I'll take your word for it. But if Turkey blocks membership I fail to see how Sweden can just shut off trade between Turkey and the EU as CHBS said.

Dufflecoat Fanny · 06-02-2023 07:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120207654#Comment_120207654

Musk is typical of the Elite during apartheid. Playing both sides and causing as much chaos as possible so he can swoop in later and play the savior. He needs to keep on Russias side a bit so he can plunder their cheap resources later too

cnocbui · 06-02-2023 07:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208668#Comment_120208668

The correct timeline:

Turkey downs Orc jet

Turkey buys S-400 as reparations

US cancels Turkeys F-35 order

I think it will be a cold day in hell before the US pay them - they were warned.

Gatling · 06-02-2023 08:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208947#Comment_120208947

Didn't read the part where the Russians refused to give the codes for said S400s that the turks were supposed to build under license after they already ponyed up the cash upfront

Wolf359f · 06-02-2023 08:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208821#Comment_120208821

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1622632497723985920?s=20&t=dAPg1e-zudxaZ5rsDhSRhg

Is that a guy on fire at the start???

MudSpud · 06-02-2023 08:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208991#Comment_120208991

And what would that accomplish, exactly? And what is Hungary doing?

threeball · 06-02-2023 08:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208257#Comment_120208257

Musk has a legion of numbskull followers who believe every word he says so countering statements he makes is closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. He's been borderline treasonous in his comments during the war and his nonsense only encourages the Russians to keep going when they hear a prominent western figure claiming their propaganda to to true. If this clown is swallowing their boll0x, surely plenty more will is the Russian logic that will prevail. A Russian encouraged to push on regardless is a Russia that will come closer to collapse and become more unstable opening a Pandoras box of possibilities. He's not being edgy, he's not smarter than the average bear. He's just someone who likes going against the grain and doesn't mind it costing other people money or their lives.

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